Meghann Coughlan | 4 Nov 20:33 2009
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Re: Re: A World Without Law

In response to pedophilia and a lawless society, you need to consider what
is happening with pedophilia in our current society...

Pedophiles are immediately put into Protective Custody in the prison
systems.  Why? Because every other con in the place will kill and torture
them the first chance they get, (I am completely against protective custody
for pedophiles).  So, currently, the worst that happens is prison... in PC,
which is not at all like prison in general population.  Remove protective
custody and I can guarantee that those pieces of shit will get exactly what
is coming to them... and they may not be so inclined to fulfill their
fantasies...

In a society without laws, parents and neighbours would quickly and
efficiently deal with them.

I think the same would go for woman beaters and child abusers, really.
 Society hates assholes.

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Steve Cooke | 4 Nov 21:25 2009
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Re: Re: A World Without Law

2009/11/4 Meghann Coughlan <teaserandthefirecat <at> gmail.com>:
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> In a society without laws, parents and neighbours would quickly and
> efficiently deal with them.
>
> I think the same would go for woman beaters and child abusers, really.
>  Society hates assholes.
>

So why does society keeping elect them to govern us?

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Steve Cooke
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Julian Vein | 4 Nov 21:46 2009
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Re: Re: A World Without Law

Meghann Coughlan wrote:
> In response to pedophilia and a lawless society, you need to consider what
> is happening with pedophilia in our current society...
> 
> Pedophiles are immediately put into Protective Custody in the prison
> systems.  Why? Because every other con in the place will kill and torture
> them the first chance they get, (I am completely against protective custody
> for pedophiles).  So, currently, the worst that happens is prison... in PC,
> which is not at all like prison in general population.  Remove protective
> custody and I can guarantee that those pieces of shit will get exactly what
> is coming to them... and they may not be so inclined to fulfill their
> fantasies...
> 
> In a society without laws, parents and neighbours would quickly and
> efficiently deal with them.
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Like they did a few years ago in England when a mob attacked the house 
of a paedatrician because they thought he was a paedophile?

Or those rent-a-mobs who attack police vans because the occupant has 
been arrested for sexual offences, but not yet convicted?

If these offenders have sufficiently strong urges that drive them to 
their crimes, they may well feel that if they're careful enough, or 
intimidate their victims into not reporting their deeds against them, 
they won't get caught and the thought of a deterrent may not have the 
desired effect.

      Julian Vein

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Marcos | 5 Nov 01:03 2009
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The concept of punishment is an idea supported by the bourgeois
 jurisprudence, it is based on the so called  ' Guilty mind" ( mens rea ),
the whole criminal law is based on that conception . I do not think that in
a socialist society we are going to be using the violence and the brutality
of the capitalist system, because people approve those measures, it does not
mean that they are correct, how many peoples approved the invasion of Iraq
and Afganistan ? Millions approved based on the reasoning of the capitalist
ideology. In the Dominican Republic many Haitians have been decapitated by
the peoples from the Ghettos because they were thieves, and several were
thrown down from the second floor from an apartment building. Many child
molesters  have been mentally frustrated and suppressed  by the sexual
 fanaticism of the religions, and the discrimination against homosexuals.
Prisons have never rehabilitated anybody, sometimes peoples become worst
when they come out from the prisons, and the atmosphere inside the prisons
sometimes is the same or worst than the atomosphere outside on the streets

2009/11/4 Julian Vein <julianvein <at> blueyonder.co.uk>

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>
> Meghann Coughlan wrote:
> > In response to pedophilia and a lawless society, you need to consider
> what
> > is happening with pedophilia in our current society...
> >
> > Pedophiles are immediately put into Protective Custody in the prison
> > systems. Why? Because every other con in the place will kill and torture
> > them the first chance they get, (I am completely against protective
> custody
> > for pedophiles). So, currently, the worst that happens is prison... in
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Richard | 5 Nov 01:27 2009
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I just have to register something personal here.  Sometimes posts like Meghann's make me feel as though I'm
missing something  or lacking something and I get confused.  

Of course I feel rage and anger over individual and social acts of malice and destruction, but my
predominant feeling about the human race is one of tragedy - how we got ourselves into this predicament of
private property in the first place; how the working class are regularly blown apart or starved to death
within capitalism; how children are victimised by paedophiles; and how paedophiles are driven by a
passion and a capacity for fantasy and denial that cause them to commit such acts.

Though I'm capable of a desire for vengeance myself over personal issues, the idea that socialst society
would unleash an unrestrained desire for retribution appalls me...

That would be the final tragedy.

--- In WSM_Forum <at> yahoogroups.com, Julian Vein <julianvein <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Meghann Coughlan wrote:
> > In response to pedophilia and a lawless society, you need to consider what
> > is happening with pedophilia in our current society...
> > 
> > Pedophiles are immediately put into Protective Custody in the prison
> > systems.  Why? Because every other con in the place will kill and torture
> > them the first chance they get, (I am completely against protective custody
> > for pedophiles).  So, currently, the worst that happens is prison... in PC,
> > which is not at all like prison in general population.  Remove protective
> > custody and I can guarantee that those pieces of shit will get exactly what
> > is coming to them... and they may not be so inclined to fulfill their
> > fantasies...
> > 
> > In a society without laws, parents and neighbours would quickly and
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Michael Ballantine | 5 Nov 16:31 2009
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Interesting responses.  It seems that many of you favor a frontier justice system for what may be behavior
caused by genetic defects, parental abuse or a failure on the part of society to recognize someone in need. 
Very sad statement for Socialists in general.  Where do we draw the line between right and wrong.  Sex with a
16 year old is ok, but a 15 year old gets you strung up?  What if a majority of the community decides it's ok to
have sex with 13 year olds?  Say a village in Nigeria where they have been practicing this for the past oh, say
6,000 years.

Overlaying Victorian England culture onto a global Socialist map is a recipe for disaster, internecine
warfare and chaos.  Wouldn't it be better if the SPGB formed a committee to begin exploring a
constitutional framework and legal code book that would take the best of the world's ideas and express
them for a Socialist world.  Obviously most of commercial law could be tossed in the dustbin, but there are
plenty of issues regarding human rights, fair treatment in the work place and family law that needs to be explored.

Michael

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From: Meghann Coughlan <teaserandthefirecat <at> gmail.com>
To: WSM_Forum <at> yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 2:33:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WSM_Forum] Re: A World Without Law

  
In response to pedophilia and a lawless society, you need to consider what
is happening with pedophilia in our current society...

Pedophiles are immediately put into Protective Custody in the prison
systems.  Why? Because every other con in the place will kill and torture
them the first chance they get, (I am completely against protective custody
for pedophiles).  So, currently, the worst that happens is prison... in PC,
which is not at all like prison in general population.  Remove protective
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Gmane