In discussing his recently sold Mustang, "Ken" said: "If we had an American president, I'd still have it." Will anyone join me in requesting that we keep nonsensical political remarks off this list? Plenty of other spaces for such crap. Ian ------------------------------------
In discussing his recently sold Mustang, "Ken" said: "If we had an American president, I'd still have it."
Will anyone join me in requesting that we keep nonsensical political remarks off this list? Plenty of other spaces for such crap.
Ian
In discussing his recently sold Mustang, "Ken" said: "If we had an American president, I'd still have it."
Will anyone join me in requesting that we keep nonsensical political remarks off this list? Plenty of other spaces for such crap.
Ian
In discussing his recently sold Mustang, "Ken" said: "If we had an American president, I'd still have it."
Will anyone join me in requesting that we keep nonsensical political remarks off this list? Plenty of other spaces for such crap.
Ian
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In discussing his recently sold Mustang, "Ken" said: "If we had an American president, I'd still have it."
Will anyone join me in requesting that we keep nonsensical political remarks off this list? Plenty of other spaces for such crap.
Ian
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Agreed. We don't need that kind of nonsense. Stick to Saabs. Gary Piland 785.221.2246 '67 Saab 96 V4 '68 Saab 96 V4 Deluxe (barn find!) http://www.ruprecht.com/saab2.html ================================== On Jun 21, 2012, at 10:58 AM, Harry Shettles wrote: I agree...everyone is entitled to their views but not here when the comments have a bite... Harry Shettles From: Tom Probst Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:40 AM To: vSAAB@... Subject: Re: [vSAAB] Drop the politics, please... Yes. On Jun 21, 2012, at 10:36 AM, biggestian wrote: > > In discussing his recently sold Mustang, "Ken" said: "If we had an American president, I'd still have it." > > Will anyone join me in requesting that we keep nonsensical political remarks off this list? Plenty of other spaces for such crap. > > Ian > > =
Oh my God.. I am SO ashamed of myself for having committed such a grave social blunder. How could I have forgotten that-as a Libertarian-I am strictly forbidden to own a SAAB? Your collective tolerance-however-is duly noted and richly appreciated. --- In vSAAB@..., "biggestian" <ihill <at> ...> wrote: > > In discussing his recently sold Mustang, "Ken" said: "If we had an American president, I'd still have it." > > Will anyone join me in requesting that we keep nonsensical political remarks off this list? Plenty of other spaces for such crap. > > Ian > ------------------------------------
Ahem.. I thought that as a Libertarian you were REQUIRED to own a SAAB.D'oH.. political commentary.. sorry.. I meant to say that as a Pastafarian you were REQUIRED to own a SAAB. There, whew.. no political commentary there... Lester On Jun 21, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Ken wrote: > Oh my God.. I am SO ashamed of myself for having committed such a grave social blunder. > How could I have forgotten that-as a Libertarian-I am strictly forbidden to own a SAAB? > > Your collective tolerance-however-is duly noted and richly appreciated. > > > > --- In vSAAB@..., "biggestian" <ihill <at> ...> wrote: >> >> In discussing his recently sold Mustang, "Ken" said: "If we had an American president, I'd still have it." >> >> Will anyone join me in requesting that we keep nonsensical political remarks off this list? Plenty of other spaces for such crap. >> >> Ian >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ------------------------------------
Ahem.. I thought that as a Libertarian you were REQUIRED to own a SAAB.
D'oH.. political commentary.. sorry.. I meant to say that as a Pastafarian you were REQUIRED to own a SAAB. There, whew.. no political commentary there...
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On Jun 21, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Ken wrote:
> Oh my God.. I am SO ashamed of myself for having committed such a grave social blunder.
> How could I have forgotten that-as a Libertarian-I am strictly forbidden to own a SAAB?
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> Your collective tolerance-however-is duly noted and richly appreciated.
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>> In discussing his recently sold Mustang, "Ken" said: "If we had an American president, I'd still have it."
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>> Will anyone join me in requesting that we keep nonsensical political remarks off this list? Plenty of other spaces for such crap.
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>> Ian
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Great. Now we are mixing religion in with our politics! The FSM will not be pleased. Though I am positive he drives a smokey 2 stroke.On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Lester Ewing <oldsaabguy-Wuw85uim5zDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:Ahem.. I thought that as a Libertarian you were REQUIRED to own a SAAB.
D'oH.. political commentary.. sorry.. I meant to say that as a Pastafarian you were REQUIRED to own a SAAB. There, whew.. no political commentary there...
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On Jun 21, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Ken wrote:
> Oh my God.. I am SO ashamed of myself for having committed such a grave social blunder.
> How could I have forgotten that-as a Libertarian-I am strictly forbidden to own a SAAB?
>
> Your collective tolerance-however-is duly noted and richly appreciated.
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> --- In vSAAB-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, "biggestian" <ihill <at> ...> wrote:
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>> In discussing his recently sold Mustang, "Ken" said: "If we had an American president, I'd still have it."
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>> Will anyone join me in requesting that we keep nonsensical political remarks off this list? Plenty of other spaces for such crap.
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>> Ian
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--- In vSAAB@..., Lester Ewing <oldsaabguy <at> ...> wrote: > > Pffftt.. I've been getting those comments ever since I approached the FSM with some ground Parmesan.. > > Lester Just because I can't see him, I know he's out there -- driving a stroker...and having a brew with Andy. Ray Kopczynski Albany, OR ------------------------------------
On Jun 21, 2012, at 10:36 AM, biggestian <ihill@...> wrote: > In discussing his recently sold Mustang, "Ken" said: "If we had an American president, I'd still have it." > > Will anyone join me in requesting that we keep nonsensical political remarks off this list? Plenty of other spaces for such crap. I agree to keeping political jabs off the list, but I had just assumed Ken meant that he didn't live in the United States... the President of France, for example, isn't an American... ------------------------------------
--- In vSAAB@..., "biggestian" <ihill <at> ...> wrote: > > In discussing his recently sold Mustang, "Ken" said: "If we had an American president, I'd still have it." > > Will anyone join me in requesting that we keep nonsensical political remarks off this list? Plenty of other spaces for such crap. > > Ian > I dont know, It is an uncensored board,so go ahead.I prefer to keep my cards close to my chest.Sounds like a typical fascist ploy to weed out who is who.You know what I think ?Alienate yourself,all you are doing is turning a useful board into some convoluted mash of incoherent gibberish.Our "elected" President has nothing to do with vintage cars nor their fans.But hey, what ever blows your dress up. ------------------------------------
--- In vSAAB@..., "biggestian" <ihill <at> ...> wrote: > > In discussing his recently sold Mustang, "Ken" said: "If we had an American president, I'd still have it." > > Will anyone join me in requesting that we keep nonsensical political remarks off this list? Plenty of other spaces for such crap. > > Ian > Yes. One cool thing about this forum is that we can explore our shared knowledge and love for these old Saabs regardless of possible chasms which stretch between us in other respects. It would be silly to either discount -- or give greater credence to -- the Saab-related information we trade based on our respective politics, no? So lets not clutter the list with such references. Xenon ------------------------------------
--- In vSAAB-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, "biggestian" <ihill <at> ...> wrote:
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> In discussing his recently sold Mustang, "Ken" said: "If we had an American president, I'd still have it."
>
> Will anyone join me in requesting that we keep nonsensical political remarks off this list? Plenty of other spaces for such crap.
>
> Ian
>
Yes. One cool thing about this forum is that we can explore our shared knowledge and love for these old Saabs regardless of possible chasms which stretch between us in other respects. It would be silly to either discount -- or give greater credence to -- the
Saab-related information we trade based on our respective politics, no? So lets not clutter the list with such references.
Xenon
Here's another perspective. While this forum is for the discussion of vintage Saabs, we're all people- people from different backgrounds with different experiences and different interests. I have no problem with passing references to such things. That's how I come to know most of you guys as real people, not one-dimensional. Andy is a good example. When I learned of his passing, I thought back to all his stories posted here. I remembered his love of dancing first off. So I think it's fine to have passing references to other marques, families, jobs, and gasp...even politics and religion. That's what freedom is all about. No one should hijack the discussion to go off topic and that's happened a few times in the past, but it seems to self-correct pretty quickly. In this particular case, it certainly was a "shot". I saw it and thought about it for maybe a few seconds, scratched my head and moved on. I left it as that. I view this forum as a group of friends with a common interest and passion. In fact, I enjoy some of the more personal comments since it allows me to know you a little better via the black and white text. eric in vermont --- In vSAAB@..., Mike Fisher <mfisher <at> ...> wrote: > > Well said, Xenon > -------------------------- > Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld > > > From: xherrmann [mailto:xherrmann <at> ...] > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 09:50 PM > To: vSAAB@... <vSAAB@...> > Subject: [vSAAB] Re: Drop the politics, please... > > > > --- In vSAAB@...<mailto:vSAAB%40yahoogroups.com>, "biggestian" <ihill <at> > wrote: > > > > In discussing his recently sold Mustang, "Ken" said: "If we had an American president, I'd still have it." > > > > Will anyone join me in requesting that we keep nonsensical political remarks off this list? Plenty of other spaces for such crap. > > > > Ian > > > > Yes. One cool thing about this forum is that we can explore our shared knowledge and love for these old Saabs regardless of possible chasms which stretch between us in other respects. It would be silly to either discount -- or give greater credence to -- the Saab-related information we trade based on our respective politics, no? So lets not clutter the list with such references. > > Xenon > > > > ________________________________ > > Spam<https://antispam.roaringpenguin.com/canit/b.php?i=06HpeOUHu&m=90aea2e2fa1d&t=20120621&c=s> > Not spam<https://antispam.roaringpenguin.com/canit/b.php?i=06HpeOUHu&m=90aea2e2fa1d&t=20120621&c=n> > Forget previous vote<https://antispam.roaringpenguin.com/canit/b.php?i=06HpeOUHu&m=90aea2e2fa1d&t=20120621&c=f> > ------------------------------------
From yer friendly Moderator......... When Chip set up this group almost 14 years ago....... Here's the description he posted in January 1999, and I don't recall that it has ever been revised. Key words are: Open, Uncensored, and ...... Unmoderated in the title. It's also apparent that Chip intended a focus, not only on Vintage Saabs, but also on their owners. Read it below, copied directly from our VSAAB List homepage <http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/vSAAB/> ********************************************************************************************* Description (Edit) Open, Uncensored Forum. Discussion, diagnosis and treatment of out-of-production 2-digit Vintage SAABs and their owners. ******************************************************************************************* An option exists for the Moderator to get involved if there becomes a need to resolve issues of spamming or repeated violations of the spirit of the list. This group tends to be quite well behaved and we have had little reason to put members on notice, to moderate their individual posts, or to ban members from posting. The current 514 members seem inclined to be self-policing, which I like. My job as Moderator currently involves mainly the approval, or rejection, of requests to subscribe to the group. -/_ _/- -/_/- Tom <. .> * elkmtnman On Jun 22, 2012, at 7:11 AM, ericinvermont wrote: > Here's another perspective. > > While this forum is for the discussion of vintage Saabs, we're all people- people from different backgrounds with different experiences and different interests. I have no problem with passing references to such things. That's how I come to know most of you guys as real people, not one-dimensional. > > Andy is a good example. When I learned of his passing, I thought back to all his stories posted here. I remembered his love of dancing first off. > > So I think it's fine to have passing references to other marques, families, jobs, and gasp...even politics and religion. That's what freedom is all about. No one should hijack the discussion to go off topic and that's happened a few times in the past, but it seems to self-correct pretty quickly. > > In this particular case, it certainly was a "shot". I saw it and thought about it for maybe a few seconds, scratched my head and moved on. I left it as that. > > I view this forum as a group of friends with a common interest and passion. In fact, I enjoy some of the more personal comments since it allows me to know you a little better via the black and white text. > > eric in vermont > > --- In vSAAB@..., Mike Fisher <mfisher <at> ...> wrote: > > > > Well said, Xenon > > -------------------------- > > Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld > > > > > > From: xherrmann [mailto:xherrmann <at> ...] > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 09:50 PM > > To: vSAAB@... <vSAAB@...> > > Subject: [vSAAB] Re: Drop the politics, please... > > > > > > > > --- In vSAAB@...<mailto:vSAAB%40yahoogroups.com>, "biggestian" <ihill <at> > wrote: > > > > > > In discussing his recently sold Mustang, "Ken" said: "If we had an American president, I'd still have it." > > > > > > Will anyone join me in requesting that we keep nonsensical political remarks off this list? Plenty of other spaces for such crap. > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > > Yes. One cool thing about this forum is that we can explore our shared knowledge and love for these old Saabs regardless of possible chasms which stretch between us in other respects. It would be silly to either discount -- or give greater credence to -- the Saab-related information we trade based on our respective politics, no? So lets not clutter the list with such references. > > > > Xenon > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Spam<https://antispam.roaringpenguin.com/canit/b.php?i=06HpeOUHu&m=90aea2e2fa1d&t=20120621&c=s> > > Not spam<https://antispam.roaringpenguin.com/canit/b.php?i=06HpeOUHu&m=90aea2e2fa1d&t=20120621&c=n> > > Forget previous vote<https://antispam.roaringpenguin.com/canit/b.php?i=06HpeOUHu&m=90aea2e2fa1d&t=20120621&c=f> > > > >
From yer friendly Moderator.........
When Chip set up this group almost 14 years ago....... Here's the description he posted in January 1999, and I don't recall that it has ever been revised.
Key words are: Open, Uncensored, and ...... Unmoderated in the title.
It's also apparent that Chip intended a focus, not only on Vintage Saabs, but also on their owners. Read it below, copied directly from our VSAAB List homepage <http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/vSAAB/>
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Description
(Edit)
<homepage.jpg> Open, Uncensored Forum.
Discussion, diagnosis and treatment of out-of-production 2-digit Vintage SAABs and their owners.
*******************************************************************************************An option exists for the Moderator to get involved if there becomes a need to resolve issues of spamming or repeated violations of the spirit of the list. This group tends to be quite well behaved and we have had little reason to put members on notice, to moderate their individual posts, or to ban members from posting. The current 514 members seem inclined to be self-policing, which I like.My job as Moderator currently involves mainly the approval, or rejection, of requests to subscribe to the group.-/_ _/--/_/- Tom<. .>* elkmtnmanOn Jun 22, 2012, at 7:11 AM, ericinvermont wrote:Here's another perspective.
While this forum is for the discussion of vintage Saabs, we're all people- people from different backgrounds with different experiences and different interests. I have no problem with passing references to such things. That's how I come to know most of you guys as real people, not one-dimensional.
Andy is a good example. When I learned of his passing, I thought back to all his stories posted here. I remembered his love of dancing first off.
So I think it's fine to have passing references to other marques, families, jobs, and gasp...even politics and religion. That's what freedom is all about. No one should hijack the discussion to go off topic and that's happened a few times in the past, but it seems to self-correct pretty quickly.
In this particular case, it certainly was a "shot". I saw it and thought about it for maybe a few seconds, scratched my head and moved on. I left it as that.
I view this forum as a group of friends with a common interest and passion. In fact, I enjoy some of the more personal comments since it allows me to know you a little better via the black and white text.
eric in vermont
--- In vSAAB-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, Mike Fisher <mfisher <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Well said, Xenon
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> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
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> From: xherrmann [mailto:xherrmann <at> ...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 09:50 PM
> To: vSAAB-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org <vSAAB-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org>
> Subject: [vSAAB] Re: Drop the politics, please...
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> --- In vSAAB-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org<mailto:vSAAB%40yahoogroups.com>, "biggestian" <ihill <at> > wrote:
> >
> > In discussing his recently sold Mustang, "Ken" said: "If we had an American president, I'd still have it."
> >
> > Will anyone join me in requesting that we keep nonsensical political remarks off this list? Plenty of other spaces for such crap.
> >
> > Ian
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> Yes. One cool thing about this forum is that we can explore our shared knowledge and love for these old Saabs regardless of possible chasms which stretch between us in other respects. It would be silly to either discount -- or give greater credence to -- the Saab-related information we trade based on our respective politics, no? So lets not clutter the list with such references.
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> Xenon
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Mike, I was going to say nothing further, but your remark requires response. I am in fact Very Conservative, very patriotic, and proud of it. These are not characteristics that I see in our current leader. My comment regarding his status as an American was-first of all-a mere side-note to an entirely different subject, and in fact refers to his policies that appear not to be beneficial to America. Perhaps you have not read his "unpatriotic left leaning anarchist" writings. I have. Perhaps you have forgotten that he refused to salute our flag or permit it on his lapel & campaign vehicles. I have not. I know-but momentarily failed to remember while writing that remark-that research has identified the original buyers of these SAABs to be more Left-Leaning than buyers of practically any other model of car. I blithely assumed that the passing 50 years would have tempered the thinking, making then more tolerant of others.. I seem to have been wrong. I am rather surprised that such an innocent remark would stir up such a hornet's-nest of political correctness hate speech. So, let the attacks begin, I am through. > > I still think politics should be avoided. On the other hand, when that unpatriotic left leaning anarchist suggested that our President isn't American, it was all I could do to keep myself from debating him on this group. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 22, 2012, at 9:56 AM, "Tom Nelson" <tom10 <at> ...<mailto:tom10 <at> ...>> wrote: > > From yer friendly Moderator......... > ------------------------------------
Mike,
I was going to say nothing further, but your remark requires response.
I am in fact Very Conservative, very patriotic, and proud of it. These are not characteristics that I see in our current leader. My comment regarding his status as an American was-first of all-a mere side-note to an entirely different subject, and in fact refers
to his policies that appear not to be beneficial to America. Perhaps you have not read his "unpatriotic left leaning anarchist" writings. I have. Perhaps you have forgotten that he refused to salute our flag or permit it on his lapel & campaign vehicles. I
have not.
I know-but momentarily failed to remember while writing that remark-that research has identified the original buyers of these SAABs to be more Left-Leaning than buyers of practically any other model of car. I blithely assumed that the passing 50 years would
have tempered the thinking, making then more tolerant of others.. I seem to have been wrong.
I am rather surprised that such an innocent remark would stir up such a hornet's-nest of political correctness hate speech.
So, let the attacks begin, I am through.
>
> I still think politics should be avoided. On the other hand, when that unpatriotic left leaning anarchist suggested that our President isn't American, it was all I could do to keep myself from debating him on this group.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 22, 2012, at 9:56 AM, "Tom Nelson" <tom10 <at> ...<mailto:tom10 <at> ...>> wrote:
>
> From yer friendly Moderator.........
>
I am through as well, except I still don't see that remark as one from a conservative patriot. Most libertarians are far left of center, in my experience, whether they are aware of it or not. Most patriots have more respect to sitting presidents, whether or not they agree with their politics
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From: Ken [mailto:hardhatz-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 05:58 PM
To: vSAAB <at> yahoogroups.com <vSAAB-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org>
Subject: [vSAAB] Re: Drop the politics, please.../ Moderator Comments
Mike,
I was going to say nothing further, but your remark requires response.
I am in fact Very Conservative, very patriotic, and proud of it. These are not characteristics that I see in our current leader. My comment regarding his status as an American was-first of all-a mere side-note to an entirely different subject, and in fact refers to his policies that appear not to be beneficial to America. Perhaps you have not read his "unpatriotic left leaning anarchist" writings. I have. Perhaps you have forgotten that he refused to salute our flag or permit it on his lapel & campaign vehicles. I have not.
I know-but momentarily failed to remember while writing that remark-that research has identified the original buyers of these SAABs to be more Left-Leaning than buyers of practically any other model of car. I blithely assumed that the passing 50 years would have tempered the thinking, making then more tolerant of others.. I seem to have been wrong.
I am rather surprised that such an innocent remark would stir up such a hornet's-nest of political correctness hate speech.
So, let the attacks begin, I am through.
>
> I still think politics should be avoided. On the other hand, when that unpatriotic left leaning anarchist suggested that our President isn't American, it was all I could do to keep myself from debating him on this group.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 22, 2012, at 9:56 AM, "Tom Nelson" <tom10 <at> ...<mailto:tom10 <at> ...>> wrote:
>
> From yer friendly Moderator.........
>
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As a Canadian outsider.
I remember the good old days in the 80's when Reagan was your king. It didn't matter if you were Red, Blue, anarchist or not. If ANYONE said said shit about your president you would punch them in the neck! You could be against his politics or plans personally,
but if some foreigner from Canader EVER talked shit about him, a fight would break out. I miss those days when all americans were considered equally off their rockers by the outside world. You guys were clearly crazy, but at least you were all crazy together...
I agree that colourful comments allow us to know each each as real people. So we best not be too sensitive unless things go sideways and get it to rude, hateful, or racist. In which case that person should just get slapped with the ban hammer, no questions
asked.
Back to SAABing!
I am taking my Sonett V4 to the local Scandinavian Day tomorrow and making sure those assholes in their Volvos don't steal the show.
I am through as well, except I still don't see that remark as one from a conservative patriot. Most libertarians are far left of center, in my experience, whether they are aware of it or not. Most patriots have more respect to sitting presidents, whether or not they agree with their politics
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Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
From: Ken [mailto:hardhatz-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org]
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 05:58 PM
To: vSAAB-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org <vSAAB-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org>
Subject: [vSAAB] Re: Drop the politics, please.../ Moderator Comments
Mike,
I was going to say nothing further, but your remark requires response.
I am in fact Very Conservative, very patriotic, and proud of it. These are not characteristics that I see in our current leader. My comment regarding his status as an American was-first of all-a mere side-note to an entirely different subject, and in fact refers to his policies that appear not to be beneficial to America. Perhaps you have not read his "unpatriotic left leaning anarchist" writings. I have. Perhaps you have forgotten that he refused to salute our flag or permit it on his lapel & campaign vehicles. I have not.
I know-but momentarily failed to remember while writing that remark-that research has identified the original buyers of these SAABs to be more Left-Leaning than buyers of practically any other model of car. I blithely assumed that the passing 50 years would have tempered the thinking, making then more tolerant of others.. I seem to have been wrong.
I am rather surprised that such an innocent remark would stir up such a hornet's-nest of political correctness hate speech.
So, let the attacks begin, I am through.
>
> I still think politics should be avoided. On the other hand, when that unpatriotic left leaning anarchist suggested that our President isn't American, it was all I could do to keep myself from debating him on this group.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 22, 2012, at 9:56 AM, "Tom Nelson" <tom10 <at> ...<mailto:tom10 <at> ...>> wrote:
>
> From yer friendly Moderator.........
>
As a Canadian outsider.
I remember the good old days in the 80's when Reagan was your king. It didn't matter if you were Red, Blue, anarchist or not. If ANYONE said said shit about your president you would punch them in the neck! You could be against his politics or plans personally, but if some foreigner from Canader EVER talked shit about him, a fight would break out. I miss those days when all americans were considered equally off their rockers by the outside world. You guys were clearly crazy, but at least you were all crazy together...
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Jason Bailey <chickenhole-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wroteAs a Canadian outsider.
I remember the good old days in the 80's when Reagan was your king. It didn't matter if you were Red, Blue, anarchist or not. If ANYONE said said shit about your president you would punch them in the neck! You could be against his politics or plans personally, but if some foreigner from Canader EVER talked shit about him, a fight would break out. I miss those days when all americans were considered equally off their rockers by the outside world. You guys were clearly crazy, but at least you were all crazy together...
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On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Gavin M <gavin.1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Jason Bailey <chickenhole-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wroteAs a Canadian outsider.
I remember the good old days in the 80's when Reagan was your king. It didn't matter if you were Red, Blue, anarchist or not. If ANYONE said said shit about your president you would punch them in the neck! You could be against his politics or plans personally, but if some foreigner from Canader EVER talked shit about him, a fight would break out. I miss those days when all americans were considered equally off their rockers by the outside world. You guys were clearly crazy, but at least you were all crazy together...
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On Jun 22, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Ken <hardhatz@...> wrote: > I am rather surprised that such an innocent remark would stir up such a hornet's-nest of political correctness hate speech. Implying that the President is not an American is not an innocent remark. It's a known falsehood that John McCain refused to endorse and that even Mittsy Romney won't endorse on the record (although he's happy to let his teabagger backstabbers do his dirty work... he hasn't really been much for fighting his own battles once he got beyond his youthful days of beating up gay kids in prep school.) All those other innuendos, out-of-context attacks and outright falsehoods in your spew are cut from the same cloth. But we can't be surprised by this. I saw that lobbyist memo that got leaked to AlterNet about the American Bankers' Association budgeting $18 million to pay shills to monitor social media and spam them with neocon "talking points." I had thought they'd concentrate on the biggies such as Facebook, but maybe not even little mailing lists are beyond the reach of this meretricious scumbaggery. After all, the Koch brothers, Shel Adelson, the Coors family, etc., have basically unlimited money, and they're willing to spend as much as it takes to drown out opposing voices and make themselves America's undisputed ruling class... ... see? This is what our whole list is going to turn into if we don't stop it now. ------------------------------------
On Jun 22, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Ken <hardhatz-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> I am rather surprised that such an innocent remark would stir up such a hornet's-nest of political correctness hate speech.
Implying that the President is not an American is not an innocent remark. It's a known falsehood that John McCain refused to endorse and that even Mittsy Romney won't endorse on the record (although he's happy to let his teabagger backstabbers do his dirty work... he hasn't really been much for fighting his own battles once he got beyond his youthful days of beating up gay kids in prep school.)
All those other innuendos, out-of-context attacks and outright falsehoods in your spew are cut from the same cloth.
But we can't be surprised by this. I saw that lobbyist memo that got leaked to AlterNet about the American Bankers' Association budgeting $18 million to pay shills to monitor social media and spam them with neocon "talking points." I had thought they'd concentrate on the biggies such as Facebook, but maybe not even little mailing lists are beyond the reach of this meretricious scumbaggery. After all, the Koch brothers, Shel Adelson, the Coors family, etc., have basically unlimited money, and they're willing to spend as much as it takes to drown out opposing voices and make themselves America's undisputed ruling class...
... see? This is what our whole list is going to turn into if we don't stop it now.
Well,now that we got all THAT sorted out. Let us not forget why we are members on this group. We all love old Saabs! For me,the older and more obscure the better. Even though we have different personalities and where raised differently and even live in different countries, we all share that passion. I am fairly new to this group,but many of you know me.I have not been as active lately with conventions and such, due to health and financial reasons,but I still love old Saabs.Hopefully I can share some of my knowledge and learn some things. I will also personally try to limit my political comments.I have even made up a whip using a worn out Reynolds motorcycle chain(from my Triumph). I even added a old Bosch 2 stroke plug (for a Monte motor) to the tip for extra penance. This will be used for self flagellation in case I sin again! Happy Saabing! Bob . --- In vSAAB@..., Mike Fisher <mfisher <at> ...> wrote: > > I think guys like Ken are accustomed to posting outrageous stuff like this on the boards of like minded people, and therefore have no idea how offensive comments like his may seem to other, not so like minded people. I think he his genuinely surprised that there is a big world of people out there who see his views as unpatriotic and ugly. He may not have intended to offend anyone. Now he sees how preposterous his views really are to most people. Live and learn > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 22, 2012, at 7:21 PM, "James Williams" <troll96hunter <at> ...<mailto:troll96hunter <at> ...>> wrote: > > > > On Jun 22, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Ken <<mailto:hardhatz%40hotmail.com>hardhatz <at> ...<mailto:hardhatz <at> ...>> wrote: > > > I am rather surprised that such an innocent remark would stir up such a hornet's-nest of political correctness hate speech. > > Implying that the President is not an American is not an innocent remark. It's a known falsehood that John McCain refused to endorse and that even Mittsy Romney won't endorse on the record (although he's happy to let his teabagger backstabbers do his dirty work... he hasn't really been much for fighting his own battles once he got beyond his youthful days of beating up gay kids in prep school.) > > All those other innuendos, out-of-context attacks and outright falsehoods in your spew are cut from the same cloth. > > But we can't be surprised by this. I saw that lobbyist memo that got leaked to AlterNet about the American Bankers' Association budgeting $18 million to pay shills to monitor social media and spam them with neocon "talking points." I had thought they'd concentrate on the biggies such as Facebook, but maybe not even little mailing lists are beyond the reach of this meretricious scumbaggery. After all, the Koch brothers, Shel Adelson, the Coors family, etc., have basically unlimited money, and they're willing to spend as much as it takes to drown out opposing voices and make themselves America's undisputed ruling class... > > ... see? This is what our whole list is going to turn into if we don't stop it now. > > > > ________________________________ > > Spam<https://antispam.roaringpenguin.com/canit/b.php?i=06HpAloLB&m=f7c138ebb62d&t=20120622&c=s> > Not spam<https://antispam.roaringpenguin.com/canit/b.php?i=06HpAloLB&m=f7c138ebb62d&t=20120622&c=n> > Forget previous vote<https://antispam.roaringpenguin.com/canit/b.php?i=06HpAloLB&m=f7c138ebb62d&t=20120622&c=f> > ------------------------------------
I still think politics should be avoided. On the other hand, when that unpatriotic left leaning anarchist suggested that our President isn't American, it was all I could do to keep myself from debating him on this group.
I suggest we adopt the classic "southern" approach: People of quality never discuss politics, religion or sex in public. Okay, maybe we keep the sex. We are Saab owners after all. A priest, a rabbi and a stripper walk into a bar. The bartender looks up and says, "Hey, what is this - a joke?"
I agree with Eric,, knowing a little bit about the people on this list makes me feel like I know you all personally. SAAB people are an eclectic bunch, all walks, flavors,colors and (especially) Opinions... the people that have come through my shop over the years is a varied as they come,, it's the same with this list. the nice thing with the list is -- if you don't agree or like a post -- that DELETE button isn't far away....
and speaking of getting off topic,, what have you all been doing while we've been stuck on this "drop the politics" thread ??? anything SAAB related ??
John
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From: "ericinvermont" <eric.carter-ae/4rV3yS3tWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: vSAAB-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org
Subject: [vSAAB] Re: Drop the politics, please...
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:11:44 -0000
Here's another perspective.
While this forum is for the discussion of vintage Saabs, we're all people- people from different backgrounds with different experiences and different interests. I have no problem with passing references to such things. That's how I come to know most of you guys as real people, not one-dimensional.
Andy is a good example. When I learned of his passing, I thought back to all his stories posted here. I remembered his love of dancing first off.
So I think it's fine to have
passing references to other marques, families, jobs, and gasp...even politics and religion. That's what freedom is all about. No one should hijack the discussion to go off topic and that's happened a few times in the past, but it seems to self-correct pretty quickly.
In this particular case, it certainly was a "shot". I saw it and thought about it for maybe a few seconds, scratched my head and moved on. I left it as that.
I view this forum as a group of friends with a common interest and passion. In fact, I enjoy some of the more personal comments since it allows me to know you a little better via the black and white text.
eric in vermont
--- In vSAAB-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, Mike Fisher <mfisher <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Well said,
Xenon
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
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>
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> >
> > In discussing his recently sold Mustang, "Ken" said: "If we had an American president, I'd still have it."
> >
> > Will anyone join me in requesting that we keep nonsensical political remarks off this list? Plenty of other spaces for such crap.
> >
> > Ian
> >
>
> Yes. One cool thing about this forum is that we can explore our shared knowledge and love for these old Saabs regardless of possible chasms which stretch between us in other respects. It would be silly to either discount -- or give greater credence to -- the Saab-related information we trade based on our respective politics, no? So lets not clutter the list with such references.
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> Xenon
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I agree with Eric,, knowing a little bit about the people on this list makes me feel like I know you all personally. SAAB people are an eclectic bunch, all walks, flavors,colors and (especially) Opinions... the people that have come through my shop over the years is a varied as they come,, it's the same with this list. the nice thing with the list is -- if you don't agree or like a post -- that DELETE button isn't far away....and speaking of getting off topic,, what have you all been doing while we've been stuck on this "drop the politics" thread ??? anything SAAB related ??
John
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From: "ericinvermont" < eric.carter-ae/4rV3yS3tWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: vSAAB-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org
Subject: [vSAAB] Re: Drop the politics, please...
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:11:44 -0000
Here's another perspective.
While this forum is for the discussion of vintage Saabs, we're all people- people from different backgrounds with different experiences and different interests. I have no problem with passing references to such things. That's how I come to know most of you guys as real people, not one-dimensional.
Andy is a good example. When I learned of his passing, I thought back to all his stories posted here. I remembered his love of dancing first off.
So I think it's fine to have passing references to oth er marques, families, jobs, and gasp...even politics and religion. That's what freedom is all about. No one should hijack the discussion to go off topic and that's happened a few times in the past, but it seems to self-correct pretty quickly.
In this particular case, it certainly was a "shot". I saw it and thought about it for maybe a few seconds, scratched my head and moved on. I left it as that.
I view this forum as a group of friends with a common interest and passion. In fact, I enjoy some of the more personal comments since it allows me to know you a little better via the black and white text.
eric in vermont
--- In vSAAB-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, Mike Fisher <mfisher <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Well said, Xenon
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
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> From: xherrmann [mailto:xherrmann <at> ...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 09:50 PM
> To: vSAAB-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org <vSAAB-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org>
> Subject: [vSAAB] Re: Drop the politics, please...
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> --- In vSAAB-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org<mailto:vSAAB%40yahoogroups.com>, "biggestian" <ihill <at> > wrote:
> >
> > In discussing his recently sold Mustang, "Ken" said: "If we had an American president, I'd still have it."
> >
> > Will anyone join me in request ing that we keep nonsensical political remarks off this list? Plenty of other spaces for such crap.
> >
> > Ian
> >
>
> Yes. One cool thing about this forum is that we can explore our shared knowledge and love for these old Saabs regardless of possible chasms which stretch between us in other respects. It would be silly to either discount -- or give greater credence to -- the Saab-related information we trade based on our respective politics, no? So lets not clutter the list with such references.
>
> Xenon
>
>
>
> ________________________________
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I agree with Eric,, knowing a little bit about the people on this list makes me feel like I know you all personally. SAAB people are an eclectic bunch, all walks, flavors,colors and (especially) Opinions... the people that have come through my shop over the years is a varied as they come,, it's the same with this list. the nice thing with the list is -- if you don't agree or like a post -- that DELETE button isn't far away....and speaking of getting off topic,, what have you all been doing while we've been stuck on this "drop the politics" thread ??? anything SAAB related ??
John
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "ericinvermont" < eric.carter-ae/4rV3yS3tWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: vSAAB-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org
Subject: [vSAAB] Re: Drop the politics, please...
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:11:44 -0000
Here's another perspective.
While this forum is for the discussion of vintage Saabs, we're all people- people from different backgrounds with different experiences and different interests. I have no problem with passing references to such things. That's how I come to know most of you guys as real people, not one-dimensional.
Andy is a good example. When I learned of his passing, I thought back to all his stories posted here. I remembered his love of dancing first off.
So I think it's fine to have passing references to oth er marques, families, jobs, and gasp...even politics and religion. That's what freedom is all about. No one should hijack the discussion to go off topic and that's happened a few times in the past, but it seems to self-correct pretty quickly.
In this particular case, it certainly was a "shot". I saw it and thought about it for maybe a few seconds, scratched my head and moved on. I left it as that.
I view this forum as a group of friends with a common interest and passion. In fact, I enjoy some of the more personal comments since it allows me to know you a little better via the black and white text.
eric in vermont
--- In vSAAB-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, Mike Fisher <mfisher <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Well said, Xenon
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> From: xherrmann [mailto:xherrmann <at> ...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 09:50 PM
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> Subject: [vSAAB] Re: Drop the politics, please...
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>
> --- In vSAAB-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org<mailto:vSAAB%40yahoogroups.com>, "biggestian" <ihill <at> > wrote:
> >
> > In discussing his recently sold Mustang, "Ken" said: "If we had an American president, I'd still have it."
> >
> > Will anyone join me in request ing that we keep nonsensical political remarks off this list? Plenty of other spaces for such crap.
> >
> > Ian
> >
>
> Yes. One cool thing about this forum is that we can explore our shared knowledge and love for these old Saabs regardless of possible chasms which stretch between us in other respects. It would be silly to either discount -- or give greater credence to -- the Saab-related information we trade based on our respective politics, no? So lets not clutter the list with such references.
>
> Xenon
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
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Respectfully, I disagree. I like to know a lot about the people on this list, but much like my friends in real life, as opposed to cyber life, their political opinions add little or nothing to what I find interesting about them. I enjoy learning about their interests, jobs, hobbies, experiences, families and relationships, but I find that the political aspects seldom add much to the equation, and often cause more tensions than any benefit that can come from including that stuff on a list like thiis, and even if you agreed that it did serve some benefit, there is always someone who feels that his insults or opinions warrant voicing even if they are distasteful or unproductive. It is just cleaner, and more productive for the group to keep political dialog off the list entirely. Can we put a fork in this now, as it is clearly overdone. Let's get back to Saabs! Chas --- In vSAAB@..., Tom Nelson <tom10 <at> ...> wrote: > > John ..... since you asked, I've been doing 3 things this week, Saab related: > 1. Making plans to pick up the 1968 96 DeLuxe that I was given last week .......
I agree with Eric,, knowing a little bit about the people on this list makes me feel like I know you all personally. SAAB people are an eclectic bunch, all walks, flavors,colors and (especially) Opinions... the people that have come through my shop over the years is a varied as they come,, it's the same with this list. the nice thing with the list is -- if you don't agree or like a post -- that DELETE button isn't far away....and speaking of getting off topic,, what have you all been doing while we've been stuck on this "drop the politics" thread ??? anything SAAB related ??
John
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To: vSAAB-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org
Subject: [vSAAB] Re: Drop the politics, please...
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:11:44 -0000
Here's another perspective.
While this forum is for the discussion of vintage Saabs, we're all people- people from different backgrounds with different experiences and different interests. I have no problem with passing references to such things. That's how I come to know most of you guys as real people, not one-dimensional.
Andy is a good example. When I learned of his passing, I thought back to all his stories posted here. I remembered his love of dancing first off.
So I think it's fine to have passing references to other marques, families, jobs, and gasp...even politics and religion. That's what freedom is all about. No one should hijack the discussion to go off topic and that's happened a few times in the past, but it seems to self-correct pretty quickly.
In this particular case, it certainly was a "shot". I saw it and thought about it for maybe a few seconds, scratched my head and moved on. I left it as that.
I view this forum as a group of friends with a common interest and passion. In fact, I enjoy some of the more personal comments since it allows me to know you a little better via the black and white text.
eric in vermont
--- In vSAAB-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org, Mike Fisher <mfisher <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Well said, Xenon
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> From: xherrmann [mailto:xherrmann <at> ...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 09:50 PM
> To: vSAAB <at> yahoogroups.com <vSAAB <at> yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [vSAAB] Re: Drop the politics, please...
>
>
>
> --- In vSAAB-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw@public.gmane.org<mailto:vSAAB%40yahoogroups.com>, "biggestian" <ihill <at> > wrote:
> >
> > In discussing his recently sold Mustang, "Ken" said: "If we had an American president, I'd still have it."
> >
> > Will anyone join me in requesting that we keep nonsensical political remarks off this list? Plenty of other spaces for such crap.
> >
> > Ian
> >
>
> Yes. One cool thing about this forum is that we can explore our shared knowledge and love for these old Saabs regardless of possible chasms which stretch between us in other respects. It would be silly to either discount -- or give greater credence to -- the Saab-related information we trade based on our respective politics, no? So lets not clutter the list with such references.
>
> Xenon
>
>
>
> ________________________________------------------------------------
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