Lyman | 17 Jun 2012 01:14
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Skyline cars under CP operation

I am hoping that someone can help answer some questions about the Skyline cars while under CP operation.  My
understanding is that VIA took over the operation of CP non-commuter passenger trains in October 1978 (or
was it 1979?) so my questions would pertain to prior to that time.  Perhaps the article by Doug Smith in the
1995 Canadian Rail Passenger Yearbook mentioned by Tom Box in post 68465 would contain many of these
answers and I need to get a copy of that. 

As I understand it the Skyline dome cars, as received from the Budd Co., were of uniform configuration.  They
contained a coach section with 26 seats, a coffee shop section at the base of the dome stairs, a small
kitchen, and a dome section.  

At some point there were modifications to some of the Skyline cars as follows:

1.  The original dome seats on at least two Skyline cars used on the Atlantic Limited were removed and
replaced with "walkover" seat backs which could be flipped to avoid having to turn the cars at the
terminals, esp. in Saint John.  My understanding is that the cars with these modifications lasted until
VIA took over the operation of the Atlantic and I assume at some point this seating was replaced by VIA.  

2.  On some Skyline cars used on the CP eastern trains, the coach seating was removed and replaced with some
type of parlor car seating which I understand was loose seating and not fixed swivel seats found on many
typical parlor cars.  It is unclear to me whether the parlor seating in the Skylines was ever sold as revenue
seating or if this was treated as non-revenue lounge seating.   I recall some of these Skylines being used on
the Atlantic in the early 1970s.

3.  On some Skyline cars the coach seating was removed and dining room tables and chairs were installed.  In
post 68391, Don Thomas indicated that in the late 1960s the Canadian would sometimes have two Skylines in
the summer and apparently one retained its coach seating and the other had dining room seating.  

The 1974 consists of the Canadian posted by Don Thomas in post 56358 shows at least one Skyline diner on the
Canadian but the other consists appear to have Skyline coaches. 

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Don Thomas | 17 Jun 2012 08:17
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RE: Skyline cars under CP operation

See comments below – Don Thomas

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Subject: [CanPassRail] Skyline cars under CP operation

I am hoping that someone can help answer some questions about the Skyline
cars while under CP operation. My understanding is that VIA took over the
operation of CP non-commuter passenger trains in October 1978 (or was it
1979?) so my questions would pertain to prior to that time. Perhaps the
article by Doug Smith in the 1995 Canadian Rail Passenger Yearbook mentioned
by Tom Box in post 68465 would contain many of these answers and I need to
get a copy of that. 

As I understand it the Skyline dome cars, as received from the Budd Co.,
were of uniform configuration. They contained a coach section with 26 seats,
a coffee shop section at the base of the dome stairs, a small kitchen, and a
dome section. 

At some point there were modifications to some of the Skyline cars as
follows:

1. The original dome seats on at least two Skyline cars used on the Atlantic
Limited were removed and replaced with "walkover" seat backs which could be
flipped to avoid having to turn the cars at the terminals, esp. in Saint
John. My understanding is that the cars with these modifications lasted
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Lyman | 17 Jun 2012 22:19
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Re: Skyline cars under CP operation

--- In Canadian-Passenger-Rail@..., "Don Thomas"
<thomasd <at> ...> wrote:
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> See comments below – Don Thomas
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Don,

Thanks very much for that very helpful information.  I should have paid much closer attention to these
changes at the time.  

One source I saw indicated that VIA took ownership of CP's Budd equipment in August 1978.  I had previously
thought it was in October 1978 (or maybe October 1979).  Perhaps someone can clarify that. 

My understanding is that VIA acquired all 18 of the Skyline cars from CP.  It appears from your information
that they would likely have been in the following configurations at the change of ownership:

1.  Nos. 500-504, 506 and 507 would have had dining room equipment rather than coach seating.

2.  Nos. 505, 510, 515 and one other Skyline, number unknown, would have had parlor car seating rather than
coach seating.  In addition Nos. 505 and 515 would have had walkover seats in the dome section. 

3.  The remaining seven Skylines would have retained their coach seating.  

Since I unfortunately failed to record the consists on my trips on the CP Canadian, I have been trying to
recall which type of Skylines were on the Canadian during my Montreal - Vancover trips in June 1972 and June
1978 as well as shorter trips in the 1970s in Northern Ontario and Alberta/BC.  I believe they were all
Skyline coaches but unfortunately it was not a detail that I paid much attention to. Someday I will have to
see if the Skyline numbers show up in any of my photos. 

In my earlier post, I had noted the following: 
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