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Denny Vrandečić | 10 Jul 2012 21:20
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Deployment of Wikidata

Hi all,

with this Email I want to start the discussion on how to
operationalize the deployment of Wikidata. This Email gives a general
outline, and a link to the page on Meta where I will collect the
results of this discussion. Discussion, feedback and comments are
welcome.

The goal for Wikidata is to release early, release often, and to
eventually follow WMF's lead with their bi-weekly deployment cycle.
The very first version of Wikidata to deploy is almost there. We still
have a number of bugs and wrinkles we are polishing, but in general we
are ready to start moving towards deployment. This will lead to a very
organic introduction of Wikidata data into the Wikipedias. We can
react to problems and use cases early. I think a plan where we
implement the three phases completely and deploy them then is bound to
lead to a less widely accepted solution.

The suggestion is to deploy the following steps. This all still only
covers phase I.
* Step 1: start the Wikidata repository wiki. This only allows to add
language links, and they are not displayed anywhere yet.
* Step 2: deploy the Wikidata client extension on one language edition
of Wikipedia for testing (Q: How to select it?)
* Step 3: deploy the WIkidata client extension on a second language
edition of Wikipedia (Q: How to select it?)
* Step 4: deploy the Wikidata client extension on the English edition
of Wikipedia
* Step 5: deploy on all Wikipedias.
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jmcclure | 10 Jul 2012 22:47

Re: Deployment of Wikidata


Hi Denny, 

I am concerned about the performance impact of every
wikipedia calling an API for each property that it wishes to format as
content in pages' infoboxes, as I understand is the design the project
is pursuing. Could you please explain to this community why it's
technically superior to field a client/server API rather than
transclusion, e.g., 

{{wikidata:en:infobox:Thomas Jefferson}} 

It
seems more stable a design to format the infobox on wikidata, and then
simply transclude the result. 

Thanks in advance.
John
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Daniel Kinzler | 10 Jul 2012 23:08
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Re: Deployment of Wikidata

On 10.07.2012 16:47, jmcclure <at> hypergrove.com wrote:
> I am concerned about the performance impact of every
> wikipedia calling an API for each property that it wishes to format as
> content in pages' infoboxes, as I understand is the design the project
> is pursuing. 

No, that's not the case. The data objects will be cached in the client wiki
(i.e. wikipedia) and be loaded into memory once for any page that uses them.
Doing API calls during the render process would be very scary.

> Could you please explain to this community why it's
> technically superior to field a client/server API rather than
> transclusion, e.g., 
> 
> {{wikidata:en:infobox:Thomas Jefferson}} 
> 
> It
> seems more stable a design to format the infobox on wikidata, and then
> simply transclude the result. 

Keeping the control over the formatting in the client wiki seems desirable to
me, though I also see the appeal of a central repository for infobox templates.
We could just have both though, just like for images: use the local version if
it exists, otherwise use thetemplate form a central repo (which may be on the
wikidata site or somewhere else).

-- daniel
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jmcclure | 11 Jul 2012 00:14

Re: Deployment of Wikidata


Daniel, 

I suggest there isn't a need for "data objects (that) will
be cached in the client wiki (i.e. wikipedia)". In the transclusion
approach, nothing at all is cached by the client wiki except the
infobox's HTML, within the squid cache as has been outlined. IOW, I'm
still wondering *why* data objects must be retrieved and then cached by
anyone, in the first place. And, so that I fully understand the wikidata
approach, isn't it actually true that the API calls that you say are NOT
occurring "during the render process (that) would be very scary", are
indeed executed during every purge of a wikipage? 

If, as you imply,
transclusion meets wikidata's functional requirements, then would it
still be necessary to require every wikipedia to install the
client/server API (aka the "wikidata client")? What is so compelling
about the client/server approach? You say "Keeping the control over the
formatting in the client wiki seems desirable to me" overlooks the fact
that normal wiki rules-of-the-road apply within the wikidata environment
also, where authors certainly should be able to exert "control", likely
even more so, over infobox content & styling. 

Thanks - john

On
10.07.2012 14:08, Daniel Kinzler wrote: 

> On 10.07.2012 16:47,
jmcclure <at> hypergrove.comwrote:
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Ryan Kaldari | 11 Jul 2012 02:17
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Re: Deployment of Wikidata

On 7/10/12 3:14 PM, jmcclure <at> hypergrove.com wrote:
> ...You say "Keeping the control over the
> formatting in the client wiki seems desirable to me" overlooks the fact
> that normal wiki rules-of-the-road apply within the wikidata environment
> also, where authors certainly should be able to exert "control", likely
> even more so, over infobox content & styling.

My understanding is that "normal wiki rules-of-the-road" will not apply 
on WikiData, as the editing interface will be form-based, not 
wikitext-based. WikiData will not house any infoboxes, only the data 
that the Wikipedias will pull into their infoboxes (and elsewhere).

Housing the infoboxes on WikiData would be a terrible idea for several 
reasons:
* Every Wikipedia does infoboxes differently depending on the policies 
and conventions of that wiki (for example, on English Wikipedia we 
strongly discourage flag icons in infoboxes, while other wikis don't care).
* Infoboxes are only 1 possible use of WikiData. Other possibilities:
** Setting the birth and death dates in the lead sentences of biographies
** Setting the coordinates displayed on geography articles
** Populating the interlanguage links (already planned)

Ryan Kaldari
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Scott MacLeod | 11 Jul 2012 02:24
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Re: Deployment of Wikidata

Denny and Wikimedians,

In what ways might World University and School (which is like
Wikipedia with MIT OCW), with plans to be in all 3,000-8,000
languages, and 200 countries, each a school or beginning university as
a wiki page, to begin, participate in this process? The English
version presently has nearly 500 wiki pages. Here's WUaS's Subject
Template, - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/SUBJECT_TEMPLATE -
as one key to WUaS's structure.

Cheers,
Scott

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari <at> wikimedia.org> wrote:
> On 7/10/12 3:14 PM, jmcclure <at> hypergrove.com wrote:
>>
>> ...You say "Keeping the control over the
>>
>> formatting in the client wiki seems desirable to me" overlooks the fact
>> that normal wiki rules-of-the-road apply within the wikidata environment
>> also, where authors certainly should be able to exert "control", likely
>> even more so, over infobox content & styling.
>
>
> My understanding is that "normal wiki rules-of-the-road" will not apply on
> WikiData, as the editing interface will be form-based, not wikitext-based.
> WikiData will not house any infoboxes, only the data that the Wikipedias
> will pull into their infoboxes (and elsewhere).
>
> Housing the infoboxes on WikiData would be a terrible idea for several
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jmcclure | 11 Jul 2012 03:01

Re: Deployment of Wikidata


Hi Ryan,
Normal wiki rules of the road are about who can edit what
and when, not so much how, that I was referencing; I was responding to
the concern about "control". 

You say: "Housing the infoboxes on
WikiData would be a terrible idea for several reasons:

* Every
Wikipedia does infoboxes differently depending on the policies and
conventions of that wiki (for example, on English Wikipedia we 
strongly
discourage flag icons in infoboxes, while other wikis don't
care).

Reply: {{wikidata:en:infobox:Thomas Jefferson}} certainly can be
different in content & style from {{wikidata:de:infobox:Thomas
Jefferson}}, so the concern seems insubstantial to me. Noone is talking
about universal "policies & conventions".

* Infoboxes are only 1
possible use of WikiData. Other possibilities:
** Setting the birth and
death dates in the lead sentences of biographies
** Setting the
coordinates displayed on geography articles

Reply: You cite stable
unchanging data. But should the community considers the ability to
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Ryan Kaldari | 11 Jul 2012 20:10
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Re: Deployment of Wikidata

Personally, I think the focus of this discussion on infoboxes is 
short-sighted. My personal hope is that Wikidata will actually allow the 
Wikipedias to use fewer infoboxes (and when they are used, for them to 
be much smaller). This may sound counter-intuitive, but let me explain...

<opinionated rant>
Right now, English Wikipedia suffers from a continually growing plague 
of infobox cruft. Most articles on Wikipedia now look more like Pokemon 
cards than Encyclopedia articles. Compare:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Wollstonecraft
The problem with infoboxes is that they are inherently unencyclopedic. 
Infoboxes are for viewing data, not for giving a nuanced and 
comprehensive overview of a subject. In fact they actually detract from 
that goal. The infobox for George Washington leads me to believe that he 
had equal allegiance to Britain and the U.S., that he was a Deist 
Episcopal (which is quite misleading in its simplicity), and that his 
role as President of the United States was just as important as his role 
as Delegate to the Second Continental Congress from Virginia. Not to 
mention the fact that it's nearly 3 pages long! Imagine an infobox like 
that sitting in http://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington.

If we had a repository where people could put all the fact-cruft that 
they want, they would probably be less tempted to spam the infoboxes 
with it. And maybe at some point we could even replace infoboxes with a 
"Data tab" or something similar that gave a full interface to the 
Wikidata data, but without having it dominate the Wikipedia article (as 
infoboxes do). I imagine that eventually the Wikidata content on many 
subjects will exceed the Wikipedia content.
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Erik Moeller | 11 Jul 2012 20:34
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Re: Deployment of Wikidata

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari <at> wikimedia.org> wrote:

> The problem with infoboxes is that they are inherently unencyclopedic.
> Infoboxes are for viewing data, not for giving a nuanced and comprehensive
> overview of a subject.

Don't underestimate how much readers love infoboxes. We did a mobile
UX test a while ago, and it turned out that infoboxes were
accidentally broken on mobile at that specific time. Some testers
pointed this out quickly as a bug, along the lines of "Where's the
little table which gives you all the useful info at a glance". It's
not an accident that Google has integrated infobox-style information
into search results. Highly scannable info can be of great value to
readers.

So I'm not sure moving all this stuff outside of the article is ever a
good idea. But I agree there's a fair bit of cruft there as well, and
Wikidata could help separate key at-a-glance facts from details.
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Derric Atzrott | 11 Jul 2012 20:42

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>Don't underestimate how much readers love infoboxes.
>... Highly scannable info can be of great value to readers.

Agreed.  I love Infoboxes and they are generally the first thing I read.  I
will admit that the George Washington one is far too long though; at that
point it is no longer " Highly scannable info", but rather just a pile of
data.

>So I'm not sure moving all this stuff outside of the article is
>ever a good idea. But I agree there's a fair bit of cruft there
>as well, and Wikidata could help separate key at-a-glance
>facts from details.

I like the earlier mentioned idea of a Data tab for the extra information
that could be removed from longer infoboxes.

Thank you,
Derric Atzrott

P.S. Sorry about my terribly worded email to the list earlier this morning.
I was tired and didn't proof read it first to make sure that it actually
flowed according to the rules of English instead of my thoughts.
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Delirium | 13 Jul 2012 16:31

Re: Deployment of Wikidata

On 7/11/12 8:34 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari <at> wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> The problem with infoboxes is that they are inherently unencyclopedic.
>> Infoboxes are for viewing data, not for giving a nuanced and comprehensive
>> overview of a subject.
> Don't underestimate how much readers love infoboxes. We did a mobile
> UX test a while ago, and it turned out that infoboxes were
> accidentally broken on mobile at that specific time. Some testers
> pointed this out quickly as a bug, along the lines of "Where's the
> little table which gives you all the useful info at a glance". It's
> not an accident that Google has integrated infobox-style information
> into search results. Highly scannable info can be of great value to
> readers.
>
> So I'm not sure moving all this stuff outside of the article is ever a
> good idea. But I agree there's a fair bit of cruft there as well, and
> Wikidata could help separate key at-a-glance facts from details.

One approach might be to allow per-article customization of which facts 
are displayed in the article as quick facts in a box, and encourage that 
to be a relatively small number.

The basic problem imo is that infoboxes tend to include the superset of 
all information that *could* be useful fact-at-a-glance entry for *any* 
article in a certain area. A slot is added when it makes sense for 
Article X to display it, but once that slot exists, editors feel they 
should feel it in for all other articles using the template too, so 
every article gets every slot filled in, whether it's particularly 
important information for that article's topic or not.
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Helder . | 23 Jul 2012 02:41
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Re: Deployment of Wikidata

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari <at> wikimedia.org> wrote:
> Personally, I think the focus of this discussion on infoboxes is
> short-sighted. My personal hope is that Wikidata will actually allow the
> Wikipedias to use fewer infoboxes (and when they are used, for them to be
> much smaller). This may sound counter-intuitive, but let me explain...
>
> <opinionated rant>
> Right now, English Wikipedia suffers from a continually growing plague of
> infobox cruft. Most articles on Wikipedia now look more like Pokemon cards
> than Encyclopedia articles. Compare:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Wollstonecraft
> The problem with infoboxes is that they are inherently unencyclopedic.
> Infoboxes are for viewing data, not for giving a nuanced and comprehensive
> overview of a subject. In fact they actually detract from that goal. The
> infobox for George Washington leads me to believe that he had equal
> allegiance to Britain and the U.S., that he was a Deist Episcopal (which is
> quite misleading in its simplicity), and that his role as President of the
> United States was just as important as his role as Delegate to the Second
> Continental Congress from Virginia. Not to mention the fact that it's nearly
> 3 pages long! Imagine an infobox like that sitting in
> http://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington.
>
> If we had a repository where people could put all the fact-cruft that they
> want, they would probably be less tempted to spam the infoboxes with it. And
> maybe at some point we could even replace infoboxes with a "Data tab" or
> something similar that gave a full interface to the Wikidata data, but
> without having it dominate the Wikipedia article (as infoboxes do). I
> imagine that eventually the Wikidata content on many subjects will exceed
> the Wikipedia content.
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Bináris | 11 Jul 2012 21:22
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Re: Deployment of Wikidata

2012/7/10 Denny Vrandečić <denny.vrandecic <at> wikimedia.de>

>
> * Step 2: deploy the Wikidata client extension on one language edition
> of Wikipedia for testing (Q: How to select it?)
>
I suggest the Hungarian Wikipedia as a medium-sized wiki with enthusiastic
contributors. You may find me and Tgr at Wikimania to speak about details

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Denny Vrandečić | 11 Jul 2012 22:56
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Yes, that would be awesome. Let us talk, ping me or Lydia.
On Jul 11, 2012 3:22 PM, "Bináris" <wikiposta <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> 2012/7/10 Denny Vrandečić <denny.vrandecic <at> wikimedia.de>
>
> >
> > * Step 2: deploy the Wikidata client extension on one language edition
> > of Wikipedia for testing (Q: How to select it?)
> >
> I suggest the Hungarian Wikipedia as a medium-sized wiki with enthusiastic
> contributors. You may find me and Tgr at Wikimania to speak about details
>
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On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Bináris <wikiposta <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> 2012/7/10 Denny Vrandečić <denny.vrandecic <at> wikimedia.de>
>
>>
>> * Step 2: deploy the Wikidata client extension on one language edition
>> of Wikipedia for testing (Q: How to select it?)
>>
> I suggest the Hungarian Wikipedia as a medium-sized wiki with enthusiastic
> contributors. You may find me and Tgr at Wikimania to speak about details

Hi!

Just to keep everyone updated: We have discussed this here at
Wikimania together with a few of the admins of the Hungarian
Wikipedia. Things are looking good and the next step is to take this
to the Hungarian Wikipedia to figure out if the community is ok with
this and then go for it if approved.

Cheers
Lydia

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Bináris | 18 Jul 2012 03:01
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2012/7/14 Lydia Pintscher <lydia.pintscher <at> wikimedia.de>

>
>
> Just to keep everyone updated: We have discussed this here at
> Wikimania together with a few of the admins of the Hungarian
> Wikipedia. Things are looking good and the next step is to take this
> to the Hungarian Wikipedia to figure out if the community is ok with
> this and then go for it if approved.
>
> The proposal has just been announced on village pump. Alea iacta est.

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Scott MacLeod | 21 Jul 2012 00:12
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Re: Deployment of Wikidata

Wikidatans,

Is there a possibility that we could also include German as a third
language here for deployment testing?

Not only are many Wikipedians on this list familiar with the German
Wikipedia and are German speakers (for a sizable development
community) but in beginning to develop World University and School's
(like Wikipedia with MIT OCW) second language (WUaS is planning for
all 3,000-8,000 languages and an universal translator -
http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/WUaS_Universal_Translator -
building on Google Translate +), I know German, and German open
educational resources will be significantly sizable in a way I can
read, and eventually aggregate.

Is this already happening, in addition to Hungarian (I'm fairly new on
this email list)?

World University and School is also interested in integrating, in this
early phase, WUaS's wiki development with Wikipedias in its deployment
on Wikidata, if at all possible.

Cheers,
Scott

http://scottmacleod.com

http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/World_University

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Lydia Pintscher | 22 Jul 2012 13:48
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On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Scott MacLeod <helianth <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Wikidatans,
>
> Is there a possibility that we could also include German as a third
> language here for deployment testing?
>
> Not only are many Wikipedians on this list familiar with the German
> Wikipedia and are German speakers (for a sizable development
> community) but in beginning to develop World University and School's
> (like Wikipedia with MIT OCW) second language (WUaS is planning for
> all 3,000-8,000 languages and an universal translator -
> http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/WUaS_Universal_Translator -
> building on Google Translate +), I know German, and German open
> educational resources will be significantly sizable in a way I can
> read, and eventually aggregate.
>
> Is this already happening, in addition to Hungarian (I'm fairly new on
> this email list)?
>
> World University and School is also interested in integrating, in this
> early phase, WUaS's wiki development with Wikipedias in its deployment
> on Wikidata, if at all possible.

Pending the requests for comments on huwp we will go with them as a
first step. After that other Wikipedias will follow as lined out on
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Deployment
WhichWikipedias those will be isn't decided yet. If dewp will be next
among other things heavily depends on if they want to be next ;-)  So
far I have not heard anything in that direction.
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Bináris | 24 Jul 2012 13:52
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Re: Deployment of Wikidata

2012/7/14 Lydia Pintscher <lydia.pintscher <at> wikimedia.de>

>
> Just to keep everyone updated: We have discussed this here at
> Wikimania together with a few of the admins of the Hungarian
> Wikipedia. Things are looking good and the next step is to take this
> to the Hungarian Wikipedia to figure out if the community is ok with
> this and then go for it if approved.
>
> The poll is here:
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Kocsmafal_%28m%C5%B1szaki%29#Tesztelhetj.C3.BCk_a_Wikidat.C3.A1t
Result: after some explanations we have 26 supporters in addition to 3
initiators/starters, and no opposers. (22 of them in the first 24 hours.)
As I wrote earlier, this is an enthusiastic community. So huwiki is looking
forward to test Wikidata. :-) Let's do it!

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Lydia Pintscher | 24 Jul 2012 14:59
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On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Bináris <wikiposta <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Result: after some explanations we have 26 supporters in addition to 3
> initiators/starters, and no opposers. (22 of them in the first 24 hours.)
> As I wrote earlier, this is an enthusiastic community. So huwiki is looking
> forward to test Wikidata. :-) Let's do it!

That is really great news. Thank you! I'll keep you posted as soon as
we have more news about the next steps and dates.

Cheers
Lydia

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Scott MacLeod | 5 Aug 2012 23:57
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Re: Deployment of Wikidata

Wikitechians,

It's exciting that the Hungarian Wikipedia folks will be first to
deploy in Wikidata, and the Italian Wikipedia people may be the 2nd!

What's the deployment plan, for languages 10 through 285 (number of
Wikipedia languages) through 7,358 (per "The Ethnologue"),
particularly in terms of developing community email lists (graduate
students?)

Is there a Meta Wiki deployment page for all languages, paralleling
this - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Deployment?

What's the current state of email lists / wiki pages for all of
Wikipedia's 285 language communities?
(Wikipedia is now in 285 languages, as of August 2012 -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Wikipedia).

In this deployment process, would a 7,358 language-deep, universal
translator, or security questions, in TOR, for example, as part of
Wikipedia, influence deployment in any heretofore unforeseen ways?

World University and School is planning for all 3000-8000 languages,
each as a wiki page to begin:
http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Languages. WUaS is like
Wikipedia with MIT OCW, with free, online degrees planned.

World University and School also plans to deploy in Wikidata, and in
all 3,000-8,000 languages, each a wiki, subject page / school, to
begin. WUaS bases this range on "The Ethnologue" -
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Lydia Pintscher | 25 Jul 2012 13:51
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Heya folks

This hasn't made it to this list yet sorry. The Hungarian Wikipedia
community has stepped up to be the first one to use Wikidata in
production once we're ready to deploy the code. They rock :D
We're keeping track of the deployment plans here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Deployment

Cheers
Lydia

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2012/7/14 Lydia Pintscher <lydia.pintscher <at> wikimedia.de>

>
> Just to keep everyone updated: We have discussed this here at
> Wikimania together with a few of the admins of the Hungarian
> Wikipedia. Things are looking good and the next step is to take this
> to the Hungarian Wikipedia to figure out if the community is ok with
> this and then go for it if approved.
>
> The poll is here:
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Kocsmafal_%28m%C5%B1szaki%29#Tesztelhetj.C3.BCk_a_Wikidat.C3.A1t
Result: after some explanations we have 26 supporters in addition to 3
initiators/starters, and no opposers. (22 of them in the first 24 hours.)
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Scott MacLeod | 4 Aug 2012 19:45
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Wikidatans, 


It's exciting that the Hungarian Wikipedia folks will be first to deploy in Wikidata - congratulations!

World University and School also plans to deploy in Wikidata, and in all 3,000-8,000 languages, each a wiki, subject page / school, to begin. WUaS bases this range on "The Ethnologue" - http://www.ethnologue.com/ - which now says they have 6,909 languages, whereas Wikipedia says they have 7,358 languages - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnologue. WUaS also plans to facilitate the development of an universal translator - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/WUaS_Universal_Translator - building on Google Translate and others. 

Wikipedia is now in 285 languages, as of August 2012 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Wikipedia.

Hungarian Wikipedia rocks!

Cheers, 
Scott







On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 4:51 AM, Lydia Pintscher <lydia.pintscher-AeOJrEpdGNcuZeo0DBJMuQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Heya folks

This hasn't made it to this list yet sorry. The Hungarian Wikipedia
community has stepped up to be the first one to use Wikidata in
production once we're ready to deploy the code. They rock :D
We're keeping track of the deployment plans here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Deployment


Cheers
Lydia


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From: Bináris <wikiposta <at> gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment of Wikidata
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2012/7/14 Lydia Pintscher <lydia.pintscher-AeOJrEpdGNcuZeo0DBJMuQ@public.gmane.org>

>
> Just to keep everyone updated: We have discussed this here at
> Wikimania together with a few of the admins of the Hungarian
> Wikipedia. Things are looking good and the next step is to take this
> to the Hungarian Wikipedia to figure out if the community is ok with
> this and then go for it if approved.
>
> The poll is here:
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Kocsmafal_%28m%C5%B1szaki%29#Tesztelhetj.C3.BCk_a_Wikidat.C3.A1t
Result: after some explanations we have 26 supporters in addition to 3
initiators/starters, and no opposers. (22 of them in the first 24 hours.)
As I wrote earlier, this is an enthusiastic community. So huwiki is looking
forward to test Wikidata. :-) Let's do it!

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Nickanc Wikipedia | 5 Aug 2012 01:14
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment of Wikidata

Dears,

I am asking on it.wikipedia mailing list if we would be interested or not on testing wikidata. :) Soon some response.
Best wishes
Nickanc

Il giorno sabato 4 agosto 2012, Scott MacLeod ha scritto:
Wikidatans, 

It's exciting that the Hungarian Wikipedia folks will be first to deploy in Wikidata - congratulations!

World University and School also plans to deploy in Wikidata, and in all 3,000-8,000 languages, each a wiki, subject page / school, to begin. WUaS bases this range on "The Ethnologue" - http://www.ethnologue.com/ - which now says they have 6,909 languages, whereas Wikipedia says they have 7,358 languages - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnologue. WUaS also plans to facilitate the development of an universal translator - http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/WUaS_Universal_Translator - building on Google Translate and others. 

Wikipedia is now in 285 languages, as of August 2012 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Wikipedia.

Hungarian Wikipedia rocks!

Cheers, 
Scott







On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 4:51 AM, Lydia Pintscher <lydia.pintscher-AeOJrEpdGNcuZeo0DBJMuQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Heya folks

This hasn't made it to this list yet sorry. The Hungarian Wikipedia
community has stepped up to be the first one to use Wikidata in
production once we're ready to deploy the code. They rock :D
We're keeping track of the deployment plans here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Deployment


Cheers
Lydia


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Bináris <wikiposta-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Date: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment of Wikidata
To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l <at> lists.wikimedia.org>


2012/7/14 Lydia Pintscher <lydia.pintscher <at> wikimedia.de>

>
> Just to keep everyone updated: We have discussed this here at
> Wikimania together with a few of the admins of the Hungarian
> Wikipedia. Things are looking good and the next step is to take this
> to the Hungarian Wikipedia to figure out if the community is ok with
> this and then go for it if approved.
>
> The poll is here:
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Kocsmafal_%28m%C5%B1szaki%29#Tesztelhetj.C3.BCk_a_Wikidat.C3.A1t
Result: after some explanations we have 26 supporters in addition to 3
initiators/starters, and no opposers. (22 of them in the first 24 hours.)
As I wrote earlier, this is an enthusiastic community. So huwiki is looking
forward to test Wikidata. :-) Let's do it!

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www.wikimedia.de

Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.

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http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/World_University

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Marco Fleckinger | 5 Aug 2012 13:59
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Ciao italiani,
Hello Wikidatans,

sounds very interesting. I met some guys from Wikimedia Italia and think 
that those are interesting persons having great ideas. My mother tongue 
is German but living near Brenner (about 47° north, 11° east) I know 
also a little Italian.

After reading about the Hungarian Wikipedia being the first test 
wikipedia, my first idea was, why shouldn't I ask at the Wikimedia 
Italia's mailing list if they would like. Due to my too little 
experience in Italian, I didn't do that already so I'm glad that you're 
asking.

Please do not understand it wrong: I'm still not a member of Wikimedia 
Italia and did not write anything on the Italian Wikimedia. I only think 
that the people behind it are mostly young, very dynamic and have great 
ideas.

Regards,
Tanti saluti anche a Wikimedia Italia,

Marco

On 08/05/2012 01:14 AM, Nickanc Wikipedia wrote:
> Dears,
> I am asking on it.wikipedia mailing list if we would be interested or
> not on testing wikidata. :) Soon some response.
> Best wishes
> Nickanc
>
> Il giorno sabato 4 agosto 2012, Scott MacLeod ha scritto:
>
>     Wikidatans,
>
>     It's exciting that the Hungarian Wikipedia folks will be first to
>     deploy in Wikidata - congratulations!
>
>     World University and School also plans to deploy in Wikidata, and in
>     all 3,000-8,000 languages, each a wiki, subject page / school, to
>     begin. WUaS bases this range on "The Ethnologue" -
>     http://www.ethnologue.com/ - which now says they have 6,909
>     languages, whereas Wikipedia says they have 7,358 languages -
>     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnologue. WUaS also plans to
>     facilitate the development of an universal translator -
>     http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/WUaS_Universal_Translator -
>     building on Google Translate and others.
>
>     Wikipedia is now in 285 languages, as of August 2012 -
>     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Wikipedia.
>
>     Hungarian Wikipedia rocks!
>
>     Cheers,
>     Scott
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>     On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 4:51 AM, Lydia Pintscher
>     <lydia.pintscher@... <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
>     'lydia.pintscher@...');>> wrote:
>
>         Heya folks
>
>         This hasn't made it to this list yet sorry. The Hungarian Wikipedia
>         community has stepped up to be the first one to use Wikidata in
>         production once we're ready to deploy the code. They rock :D
>         We're keeping track of the deployment plans here:
>         http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Deployment
>
>
>         Cheers
>         Lydia
>
>
>         ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>         From: Bináris <wikiposta@... <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
>         'wikiposta@...');>>
>         Date: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:52 PM
>         Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment of Wikidata
>         To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l@...
>         <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'wikitech-l@...');>>
>
>
>         2012/7/14 Lydia Pintscher <lydia.pintscher@...
>         <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'lydia.pintscher@...');>>
>
>          >
>          > Just to keep everyone updated: We have discussed this here at
>          > Wikimania together with a few of the admins of the Hungarian
>          > Wikipedia. Things are looking good and the next step is to
>         take this
>          > to the Hungarian Wikipedia to figure out if the community is
>         ok with
>          > this and then go for it if approved.
>          >
>          > The poll is here:
>         http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Kocsmafal_%28m%C5%B1szaki%29#Tesztelhetj.C3.BCk_a_Wikidat.C3.A1t
>         Result: after some explanations we have 26 supporters in
>         addition to 3
>         initiators/starters, and no opposers. (22 of them in the first
>         24 hours.)
>         As I wrote earlier, this is an enthusiastic community. So huwiki
>         is looking
>         forward to test Wikidata. :-) Let's do it!
>
>         --
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>
>
>         --
>         Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher
>         Community Communications for Wikidata
>
>         Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
>         Obentrautstr. 72
>         10963 Berlin
>         www.wikimedia.de <http://www.wikimedia.de>
>
>         Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien
>         Wissens e. V.
>
>         Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
>         Berlin-Charlottenburg
>         unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das
>         Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985
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>
>
>
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>
>
>     Scott MacLeod
>     Founder & President
>
>
>
>     http://scottmacleod.com
>
>     --
>     World University and School
>     (like Wikipedia with MIT Open Course Ware)
>
>     http://worlduniversityandschool.blogspot.com/
>
>     http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/World_University
>
>     P.O. Box 442,
>     (86 Ridgecrest Road),
>     Canyon, CA 94516
>
>     415 480 4577
>     worlduniversityandschool@... <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
>     'worlduniversityandschool@...');>
>     Skype: scottm100
>
>     Google + main, WUaS page:
>     https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/108179352492243955816/108179352492243955816/posts
>
>
>     Please contribute, and invite friends to contribute, tax deductibly,
>     via PayPal and credit card:
>
>     http://scottmacleod.com/worlduniversityandschool.htm
>
>     World University and School is a 501 (c) (3) tax-exempt educational
>     organization.
>
>
>
>
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Luca Martinelli | 5 Aug 2012 14:01
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment of Wikidata

Hi there, I'm Sannita, sysop and long-time user of it.wp.

We already spoke on IRC with Lydia, and the discussion at the Village
Pump is ongoing here:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/Inizio_dei_test_di_Wikidata:_ci_facciamo_avanti%3F

Generally, we're very favourable to Wikidata - some of us are eagerly
waiting for its official launch - so it will be great for us to be an
early testing project.

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2012/8/5 Marco Fleckinger <marco.fleckinger@...>:
> Ciao italiani,
> Hello Wikidatans,
>
> sounds very interesting. I met some guys from Wikimedia Italia and think
> that those are interesting persons having great ideas. My mother tongue is
> German but living near Brenner (about 47° north, 11° east) I know also a
> little Italian.
>
> After reading about the Hungarian Wikipedia being the first test wikipedia,
> my first idea was, why shouldn't I ask at the Wikimedia Italia's mailing
> list if they would like. Due to my too little experience in Italian, I
> didn't do that already so I'm glad that you're asking.
>
> Please do not understand it wrong: I'm still not a member of Wikimedia
> Italia and did not write anything on the Italian Wikimedia. I only think
> that the people behind it are mostly young, very dynamic and have great
> ideas.
>
> Regards,
> Tanti saluti anche a Wikimedia Italia,
>
> Marco
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Denny Vrandečić | 6 Aug 2012 14:12
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Ciao Sannita, Nickanc,

I am very happy to see the enthusiasm in the communities for Wikidata!
Let's hope this keeps up even if we break a thing or two on the way...
(we are trying hard not to, I promise).

We are having some discussions about maybe going for he.wp as a second
language, but as far as I know the discussion has not happened there
yet. I would prefer he.wp over it.wp as a second test Wikipedia at the
current moment as it is an RTL wiki and allows us to test for a wider
spectrum of possible errors.

If he.wp does not happen, I think it.wp would make a great second
project due to its size (several times more articles than hu.wp) and
especially due to the high amount of activity and active editors
there.

Whatever happens -- my assumption is that once we go to the second
Wikipedia for testing, it won't take long to be available to all
Wikipedias, and thus this hopefully is just a difference in days or
weeks.

Cheers,
Denny

2012/8/5 Luca Martinelli <martinelliluca <at> gmail.com>:
> Hi there, I'm Sannita, sysop and long-time user of it.wp.
>
> We already spoke on IRC with Lydia, and the discussion at the Village
> Pump is ongoing here:
> http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/Inizio_dei_test_di_Wikidata:_ci_facciamo_avanti%3F
>
> Generally, we're very favourable to Wikidata - some of us are eagerly
> waiting for its official launch - so it will be great for us to be an
> early testing project.
>
> --
> Luca "Sannita" Martinelli
> http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita
>
> 2012/8/5 Marco Fleckinger <marco.fleckinger <at> gmail.com>:
>> Ciao italiani,
>> Hello Wikidatans,
>>
>> sounds very interesting. I met some guys from Wikimedia Italia and think
>> that those are interesting persons having great ideas. My mother tongue is
>> German but living near Brenner (about 47° north, 11° east) I know also a
>> little Italian.
>>
>> After reading about the Hungarian Wikipedia being the first test wikipedia,
>> my first idea was, why shouldn't I ask at the Wikimedia Italia's mailing
>> list if they would like. Due to my too little experience in Italian, I
>> didn't do that already so I'm glad that you're asking.
>>
>> Please do not understand it wrong: I'm still not a member of Wikimedia
>> Italia and did not write anything on the Italian Wikimedia. I only think
>> that the people behind it are mostly young, very dynamic and have great
>> ideas.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tanti saluti anche a Wikimedia Italia,
>>
>> Marco
>
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And I forgot to add: many, many thanks for organizing and holding the
discussion on the it.wp! This is extremely appreciated. Once we go to
Phase II testing we certainly will keep that in mind!

You people are awesome!

Cheers,
Denny

2012/8/6 Denny Vrandečić <denny.vrandecic <at> wikimedia.de>:
> Ciao Sannita, Nickanc,
>
> I am very happy to see the enthusiasm in the communities for Wikidata!
> Let's hope this keeps up even if we break a thing or two on the way...
> (we are trying hard not to, I promise).
>
> We are having some discussions about maybe going for he.wp as a second
> language, but as far as I know the discussion has not happened there
> yet. I would prefer he.wp over it.wp as a second test Wikipedia at the
> current moment as it is an RTL wiki and allows us to test for a wider
> spectrum of possible errors.
>
> If he.wp does not happen, I think it.wp would make a great second
> project due to its size (several times more articles than hu.wp) and
> especially due to the high amount of activity and active editors
> there.
>
> Whatever happens -- my assumption is that once we go to the second
> Wikipedia for testing, it won't take long to be available to all
> Wikipedias, and thus this hopefully is just a difference in days or
> weeks.
>
> Cheers,
> Denny
>
>
> 2012/8/5 Luca Martinelli <martinelliluca <at> gmail.com>:
>> Hi there, I'm Sannita, sysop and long-time user of it.wp.
>>
>> We already spoke on IRC with Lydia, and the discussion at the Village
>> Pump is ongoing here:
>> http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/Inizio_dei_test_di_Wikidata:_ci_facciamo_avanti%3F
>>
>> Generally, we're very favourable to Wikidata - some of us are eagerly
>> waiting for its official launch - so it will be great for us to be an
>> early testing project.
>>
>> --
>> Luca "Sannita" Martinelli
>> http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita
>>
>> 2012/8/5 Marco Fleckinger <marco.fleckinger <at> gmail.com>:
>>> Ciao italiani,
>>> Hello Wikidatans,
>>>
>>> sounds very interesting. I met some guys from Wikimedia Italia and think
>>> that those are interesting persons having great ideas. My mother tongue is
>>> German but living near Brenner (about 47° north, 11° east) I know also a
>>> little Italian.
>>>
>>> After reading about the Hungarian Wikipedia being the first test wikipedia,
>>> my first idea was, why shouldn't I ask at the Wikimedia Italia's mailing
>>> list if they would like. Due to my too little experience in Italian, I
>>> didn't do that already so I'm glad that you're asking.
>>>
>>> Please do not understand it wrong: I'm still not a member of Wikimedia
>>> Italia and did not write anything on the Italian Wikimedia. I only think
>>> that the people behind it are mostly young, very dynamic and have great
>>> ideas.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Tanti saluti anche a Wikimedia Italia,
>>>
>>> Marco
>>
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>
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> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
> unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das
> Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.

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Luca Martinelli | 6 Aug 2012 15:41
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2012/8/6 Denny Vrandečić <denny.vrandecic <at> wikimedia.de>:
[...]
> We are having some discussions about maybe going for he.wp as a second
> language, but as far as I know the discussion has not happened there
> yet. I would prefer he.wp over it.wp as a second test Wikipedia at the
> current moment as it is an RTL wiki and allows us to test for a wider
> spectrum of possible errors.
[...]

We were speaking about it with Lydia yesterday, and actually I'd give
you some reasons to prefer he.wiki to our version, exactly because of
the RTL issue.

Anyway, our goal is to help you all in developing Wikidata. Of course,
we'd love to be the second project and it would be a honour for us
all, but the final decision is still up to you. :)

More, even if we will not help you with the interlink testing, we're
plenty of datas (especially in the biographies field) to "donate", so
we'll find a way, don't worry. ;)

> And I forgot to add: many, many thanks for organizing and holding the
> discussion on the it.wp! This is extremely appreciated.
[...]

You're welcome!

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Nickanc Wikipedia | 6 Aug 2012 18:09
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Most datas in it.wp are contained in templates fields. We have, for example, a template {{Bio}} that outputs standard incipits like "Galileo Galilei (Pisa, 15 feb 1564 – Arcetri, 8 jan 1642) was an italian physicist, philosopher, astronomer and mathematician..." and many infoboxes for many kinds of articles (some of them have parameters for sources also). Extract them in a database seems not so complicated: there is already a tool, mainly working on de.wp, that puts template parameters into a database: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProjekt_Vorlagenauswertung/en . For other reasons, I asked to update it for it.wp, but it seems there are some problems. I hope those of you working in de.wp could help in this issue: if it works, we could use template-tiger to work around new datas.
Another reason to test on it.wp deals with interwiki language links: running bots we found that it.wp has many interwiki conflicts, i.e. There are pages in it.wp where an interlanguage link points to a page in a language and a page in another language, but those last pages arent linked each other. Surely, while working on en.wp you will come up to this issue, and it.wp could be a proj onto testing these issues, in order to be fully prepared.

Another strong reason to test on it.wp is the following: in the discussion at our village pump, this proposal had no oppose and many strong support. It is very rare on it.wp. It seems to me that testing on it.wp could be a way to involve crowds of people into wikidata.

Best wishes,
Nickanc
Il giorno lunedì 6 agosto 2012, Luca Martinelli ha scritto:
2012/8/6 Denny Vrandečić <denny.vrandecic-AeOJrEpdGNcuZeo0DBJMuQ@public.gmane.org>:
[...]
> We are having some discussions about maybe going for he.wp as a second
> language, but as far as I know the discussion has not happened there
> yet. I would prefer he.wp over it.wp as a second test Wikipedia at the
> current moment as it is an RTL wiki and allows us to test for a wider
> spectrum of possible errors.
[...]

We were speaking about it with Lydia yesterday, and actually I'd give
you some reasons to prefer he.wiki to our version, exactly because of
the RTL issue.

Anyway, our goal is to help you all in developing Wikidata. Of course,
we'd love to be the second project and it would be a honour for us
all, but the final decision is still up to you. :)

More, even if we will not help you with the interlink testing, we're
plenty of datas (especially in the biographies field) to "donate", so
we'll find a way, don't worry. ;)

> And I forgot to add: many, many thanks for organizing and holding the
> discussion on the it.wp! This is extremely appreciated.
[...]

You're welcome!

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Bináris | 5 Aug 2012 18:24
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2012/8/5 Marco Fleckinger <marco.fleckinger-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
My mother tongue is German but living near Brenner (about 47° north, 11° east) I know also a little Italian.
As Hungary is on 47th north, too (centre of Budapest on 47° 30'), we are almost neighbours, so your idea is quite natural. :-))

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Marco Fleckinger | 5 Aug 2012 19:57
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On 08/05/2012 06:24 PM, Bináris wrote:
>
>
> 2012/8/5 Marco Fleckinger <marco.fleckinger@...
> <mailto:marco.fleckinger@...>>
>
>     My mother tongue is German but living near Brenner (about 47° north,
>     11° east) I know also a little Italian.
>
> As Hungary is on 47th north, too (centre of Budapest on 47° 30'), we are
> almost neighbours, so your idea is quite natural. :-))
>
Actually, it's closer than Berlin ;-)
Let me correct it a little bit: it's about 47,04 north 11,48 east.
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Scott MacLeod | 5 Aug 2012 23:24
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Wikidatans,

Great, Italian Wikipedia!

What's the deployment plan, for languages 10 through 285 (number of Wikipedia languages) through 7,358 (per "The Ethnologue"), particularly in terms of developing community email lists (graduate students?) 

Is there a meta wiki deployment page for this?

What's the current state of email lists / wiki pages for all of Wikipedia's 285 language communities?

World University and School is planning for all 3000-8000 languages, each as a wiki page to begin: http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Languages . 

So many languages, and as wikis, is wondrous ... :)

Cheers, 
Scott




On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Marco Fleckinger <marco.fleckinger-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:


On 08/05/2012 06:24 PM, Bináris wrote:


2012/8/5 Marco Fleckinger <marco.fleckinger-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
<mailto:marco.fleckinger <at> gmail.com>>


    My mother tongue is German but living near Brenner (about 47° north,
    11° east) I know also a little Italian.

As Hungary is on 47th north, too (centre of Budapest on 47° 30'), we are
almost neighbours, so your idea is quite natural. :-))

Actually, it's closer than Berlin ;-)
Let me correct it a little bit: it's about 47,04 north 11,48 east.



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Denny Vrandečić | 6 Aug 2012 14:02
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2012/8/5 Scott MacLeod <worlduniversityandschool@...>:
> What's the deployment plan, for languages 10 through 285 (number of
> Wikipedia languages) through 7,358 (per "The Ethnologue"), particularly in
> terms of developing community email lists (graduate students?)

Beyond the first few Wikipedias we plan to allow deployment on all
other Wikipedias more or less simultaneously. There is no reason not
to do so, so once it works on the first few Wikipedias it should work
on all. We know that this is wishful thinking and will monitor closely
once we do that.

For now, we do not intent any impact of Wikidata on the creation of
Wikipedias in further languages, a process which firmly rests with the
language committee.

<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee>

> Is there a meta wiki deployment page for this?

<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Deployment>
<http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikidata_deployment>

> What's the current state of email lists / wiki pages for all of Wikipedia's
> 285 language communities?

You can find them here, as far as available:
<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo>
You will see that many languages don't have their lists yet.

> World University and School is planning for all 3000-8000 languages, each as
> a wiki page to begin: http://worlduniversity.wikia.com/wiki/Languages .

I wish you all the best luck with your plans!

Cheers,
Denny
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Nickanc Wikipedia | 5 Aug 2012 01:10
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Dalla ML di Wikidata: vogliono testare il funzionamento di wikidata su
almeno due wikipedie (non en)  prima di metterla in funzione per en e poi
per tutte le altre wiki. Il primo test sarà su hu.wiki. Cosa dite se ci
proponiamo per secondi? Mi è parso di capire dal bar che a noi wikidata
piacerebbe particolarmente, inoltre sarebbe l'occasione, partecipando per
primi/secondi, di sistemare i conflitti nei nostri interwiki, che da noi
sono frequentissimi rispetto le altre wiki.
Ciao e buona estate!
Nickanc

---------- Messaggio inoltrato ----------
Da: *Denny Vrandečić*
Data: martedì 10 luglio 2012
Oggetto: [Wikitech-l] Deployment of Wikidata
A: MediaWiki Tech list <wikitech-l <at> lists.wikimedia.org>

Hi all,

with this Email I want to start the discussion on how to
operationalize the deployment of Wikidata. This Email gives a general
outline, and a link to the page on Meta where I will collect the
results of this discussion. Discussion, feedback and comments are
welcome.

The goal for Wikidata is to release early, release often, and to
eventually follow WMF's lead with their bi-weekly deployment cycle.
The very first version of Wikidata to deploy is almost there. We still
have a number of bugs and wrinkles we are polishing, but in general we
are ready to start moving towards deployment. This will lead to a very
organic introduction of Wikidata data into the Wikipedias. We can
react to problems and use cases early. I think a plan where we
implement the three phases completely and deploy them then is bound to
lead to a less widely accepted solution.

The suggestion is to deploy the following steps. This all still only
covers phase I.
* Step 1: start the Wikidata repository wiki. This only allows to add
language links, and they are not displayed anywhere yet.
* Step 2: deploy the Wikidata client extension on one language edition
of Wikipedia for testing (Q: How to select it?)
* Step 3: deploy the WIkidata client extension on a second language
edition of Wikipedia (Q: How to select it?)
* Step 4: deploy the Wikidata client extension on the English edition
of Wikipedia
* Step 5: deploy on all Wikipedias.

Details are on this page on Meta:

<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Deployment>

I would like to find the appropriate means to define how to implement
the above steps whether on this list or off it.

Even though Rob has given me unlimited license to be obnoxious on this
list about this, I will try not to. Mind the "try" :)

Cheers,
Denny

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Magari!

Pensavo giusto che il mio bot (non so se è previsto il lavoro del bot) e il
mio utente stessero prendendo un po' troppa polvere, e questo progetto mi
piace assai!

Ci sarà da sbrigarsi per prendere quel posto, no?

FiloSottile

Il giorno domenica 5 agosto 2012, Nickanc Wikipedia ha scritto:

> Dalla ML di Wikidata: vogliono testare il funzionamento di wikidata su
> almeno due wikipedie (non en)  prima di metterla in funzione per en e poi
> per tutte le altre wiki. Il primo test sarà su hu.wiki. Cosa dite se ci
> proponiamo per secondi? Mi è parso di capire dal bar che a noi wikidata
> piacerebbe particolarmente, inoltre sarebbe l'occasione, partecipando per
> primi/secondi, di sistemare i conflitti nei nostri interwiki, che da noi
> sono frequentissimi rispetto le altre wiki.
> Ciao e buona estate!
> Nickanc
>
> ---------- Messaggio inoltrato ----------
> Da: *Denny Vrandečić*
> Data: martedì 10 luglio 2012
> Oggetto: [Wikitech-l] Deployment of Wikidata
> A: MediaWiki Tech list <wikitech-l <at> lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;>>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> with this Email I want to start the discussion on how to
> operationalize the deployment of Wikidata. This Email gives a general
> outline, and a link to the page on Meta where I will collect the
> results of this discussion. Discussion, feedback and comments are
> welcome.
>
> The goal for Wikidata is to release early, release often, and to
> eventually follow WMF's lead with their bi-weekly deployment cycle.
> The very first version of Wikidata to deploy is almost there. We still
> have a number of bugs and wrinkles we are polishing, but in general we
> are ready to start moving towards deployment. This will lead to a very
> organic introduction of Wikidata data into the Wikipedias. We can
> react to problems and use cases early. I think a plan where we
> implement the three phases completely and deploy them then is bound to
> lead to a less widely accepted solution.
>
> The suggestion is to deploy the following steps. This all still only
> covers phase I.
> * Step 1: start the Wikidata repository wiki. This only allows to add
> language links, and they are not displayed anywhere yet.
> * Step 2: deploy the Wikidata client extension on one language edition
> of Wikipedia for testing (Q: How to select it?)
> * Step 3: deploy the WIkidata client extension on a second language
> edition of Wikipedia (Q: How to select it?)
> * Step 4: deploy the Wikidata client extension on the English edition
> of Wikipedia
> * Step 5: deploy on all Wikipedias.
>
> Details are on this page on Meta:
>
> <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Deployment>
>
> I would like to find the appropriate means to define how to implement
> the above steps whether on this list or off it.
>
> Even though Rob has given me unlimited license to be obnoxious on this
> list about this, I will try not to. Mind the "try" :)
>
> Cheers,
> Denny
>
> --
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> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin
> Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de
>
> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V.
> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
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> Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
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2012/8/5 Nickanc Wikipedia <nickanc.wiki <at> gmail.com>:
> Dalla ML di Wikidata: vogliono testare il funzionamento di wikidata su
> almeno due wikipedie (non en)  prima di metterla in funzione per en e poi
> per tutte le altre wiki. Il primo test sarà su hu.wiki. Cosa dite se ci
> proponiamo per secondi?
[...]

In una parola: SÌ! Il progetto è una super-figata assurda™, l'hanno
presentato più o meno ufficialmente a Wikimania 2012.

Direi comunque che la cosa deve essere decisa al bar. Quindi prima
apriamo la discussione, meglio è.

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Grazie per aver aperto al bar. All'01.14 ero troppo addormentato per
fare qualcosa che non fosse "inoltra una mail". :)

Il 05 agosto 2012 01:56, Luca Martinelli <martinelliluca <at> gmail.com> ha scritto:
> 2012/8/5 Nickanc Wikipedia <nickanc.wiki <at> gmail.com>:
>> Dalla ML di Wikidata: vogliono testare il funzionamento di wikidata su
>> almeno due wikipedie (non en)  prima di metterla in funzione per en e poi
>> per tutte le altre wiki. Il primo test sarà su hu.wiki. Cosa dite se ci
>> proponiamo per secondi?
> [...]
>
> In una parola: SÌ! Il progetto è una super-figata assurda™, l'hanno
> presentato più o meno ufficialmente a Wikimania 2012.
>
> Direi comunque che la cosa deve essere decisa al bar. Quindi prima
> apriamo la discussione, meglio è.
>
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