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dan entous | 20 Sep 2012 16:34
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GLAMwiki Toolset Project : Request for Comments - Technical Architecture

dear all,

as some of you may already know, the GLAMwiki Toolset Project,
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Toolset_project, is a collaboration between Wikimedia
Nederland, Wikimedia UK, Wikimedia France and Europeana, with the goal of providing a set of tools to get
materials from GLAM institutions onto Wikimedia Commons in a way that reuse can easily be tracked, and
that Commons materials can easily be integrated back into the collection of the original GLAM or even
other GLAMs.

as part of our initial goal of creating a GLAM Upload System, we are looking to gather Wikimedia community
input on the proposed architecture and technologies. if you have time and interest, please take a look and
let us know your thoughts, http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Toolset_project/Request_for_Comments/Technical_Architecture.

with kind regards,
dan
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Emmanuel Engelhart | 24 Sep 2012 21:54

Re: GLAMwiki Toolset Project : Request for Comments - Technical Architecture

On 09/20/2012 04:34 PM, dan entous wrote:
> dear all,
>
> as some of you may already know, the GLAMwiki Toolset Project,
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Toolset_project, is a collaboration between Wikimedia
Nederland, Wikimedia UK, Wikimedia France and Europeana, with the goal of providing a set of tools to get
materials from GLAM institutions onto Wikimedia Commons in a way that reuse can easily be tracked, and
that Commons materials can easily be integrated back into the collection of the original GLAM or even
other GLAMs.
>
> as part of our initial goal of creating a GLAM Upload System, we are looking to gather Wikimedia community
input on the proposed architecture and technologies. if you have time and interest, please take a look and
let us know your thoughts, http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Toolset_project/Request_for_Comments/Technical_Architecture.
>
>
> with kind regards,
> dan

Hi Dan,

I have a few questions about the choice of the Zend Framework:
* Why exactly using the Zend Framework?
* Do we really need such a dependency?
* Do we have this framework installed on the Wikimedia servers?
* If "no", is that not a problem?

Regards
Emmanuel
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dan entous | 25 Sep 2012 11:22
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Re: GLAMwiki Toolset Project : Request for Comments - Technical Architecture

>> On 09/20/2012 04:34 PM, dan entous wrote:
>> dear all,
>> 
>> as some of you may already know, the GLAMwiki Toolset Project,
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Toolset_project, is a collaboration between Wikimedia
Nederland, Wikimedia UK, Wikimedia France and Europeana, with the goal of providing a set of tools to get
materials from GLAM institutions onto Wikimedia Commons in a way that reuse can easily be tracked, and
that Commons materials can easily be integrated back into the collection of the original GLAM or even
other GLAMs.
>> 
>> as part of our initial goal of creating a GLAM Upload System, we are looking to gather Wikimedia community
input on the proposed architecture and technologies. if you have time and interest, please take a look and
let us know your thoughts, http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Toolset_project/Request_for_Comments/Technical_Architecture.
>> 
>> 
>> with kind regards,
>> dan
> 
> On Sep 24, 2012, at 9:54 PM, Emmanuel Engelhart wrote:
> Hi Dan,
> 
> I have a few questions about the choice of the Zend Framework:
> * Why exactly using the Zend Framework?
would like to use an open-source mvc framework that is used widely, has strong community support, and
several modules that may be used for current and future development rather than develop or use a custom or
less widely used mvc framework

> * Do we really need such a dependency?
the code will be dependent on some type of mvc framework - either custom, less or widely used
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Emmanuel Engelhart | 25 Sep 2012 11:46

Re: GLAMwiki Toolset Project : Request for Comments - Technical Architecture

On 09/25/2012 11:22 AM, dan entous wrote:
>>> On 09/20/2012 04:34 PM, dan entous wrote:
>>> dear all,
>>>
>>> as some of you may already know, the GLAMwiki Toolset Project,
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Toolset_project, is a collaboration between Wikimedia
Nederland, Wikimedia UK, Wikimedia France and Europeana, with the goal of providing a set of tools to get
materials from GLAM institutions onto Wikimedia Commons in a way that reuse can easily be tracked, and
that Commons materials can easily be integrated back into the collection of the original GLAM or even
other GLAMs.
>>>
>>> as part of our initial goal of creating a GLAM Upload System, we are looking to gather Wikimedia
community input on the proposed architecture and technologies. if you have time and interest, please
take a look and let us know your thoughts, http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Toolset_project/Request_for_Comments/Technical_Architecture.
>>>
>>>
>>> with kind regards,
>>> dan
>>
>> On Sep 24, 2012, at 9:54 PM, Emmanuel Engelhart wrote:
>> Hi Dan,
>>
>> I have a few questions about the choice of the Zend Framework:
>> * Why exactly using the Zend Framework?
> would like to use an open-source mvc framework that is used widely, has strong community support, and
several modules that may be used for current and future development rather than develop or use a custom or
less widely used mvc framework
>
>> * Do we really need such a dependency?
> the code will be dependent on some type of mvc framework - either custom, less or widely used
(Continue reading)

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dan entous | 25 Sep 2012 12:17
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Re: GLAMwiki Toolset Project : Request for Comments - Technical Architecture

>>>> On 09/20/2012 04:34 PM, dan entous wrote:
>>>> dear all,
>>>> 
>>>> as some of you may already know, the GLAMwiki Toolset Project,
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Toolset_project, is a collaboration between Wikimedia
Nederland, Wikimedia UK, Wikimedia France and Europeana, with the goal of providing a set of tools to get
materials from GLAM institutions onto Wikimedia Commons in a way that reuse can easily be tracked, and
that Commons materials can easily be integrated back into the collection of the original GLAM or even
other GLAMs.
>>>> 
>>>> as part of our initial goal of creating a GLAM Upload System, we are looking to gather Wikimedia
community input on the proposed architecture and technologies. if you have time and interest, please
take a look and let us know your thoughts, http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Toolset_project/Request_for_Comments/Technical_Architecture.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> with kind regards,
>>>> dan
>>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2012, at 9:54 PM, Emmanuel Engelhart wrote:
>>> Hi Dan,
>>> 
>>> I have a few questions about the choice of the Zend Framework:
>>> * Why exactly using the Zend Framework?
>> would like to use an open-source mvc framework that is used widely, has strong community support, and
several modules that may be used for current and future development rather than develop or use a custom or
less widely used mvc framework
>> 
>>> * Do we really need such a dependency?
>> the code will be dependent on some type of mvc framework - either custom, less or widely used
>>
(Continue reading)

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Emmanuel Engelhart | 26 Sep 2012 10:52

Re: GLAMwiki Toolset Project : Request for Comments - Technical Architecture

On 09/25/2012 12:17 PM, dan entous wrote:
>> I thought the lab instance was only an incubation environment and that the final goal was to put gwtoolset
on the WMF prod. servers. Isn't it?
> the final goal, as far as i understand it, is to have it run as its own application in its own environment,
similar to the way some applications are running on the current toolserver. i was told that instead of
using the toolserver we should use a wikimedia labs instance. would love to hear if this is not the intended outcome.

Hi Dan

Sad news :(

Having as goal to integrate (at the end) the gwt extension in WMF prod. 
env. would:
* help to involve the rest of the community of developers - at least for 
the code review process.
* improve the global quality of code of the tool by applying WMF high 
dev/op standards.
* remove the work (for the gwt team) of maintaining the environment 
running (for example avoid scalability issues...)
* offer a better visibility to the tool.
* simply the understanding for the end-user by using a 
commons.wikimedia.org builtin solution (instead of a third part tool)

Regarding the size and the purpose of the project, we should IMO try to 
include that goal in the list of outcomes of the gwt project.

Emmanuel
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