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Adam Wight | 21 Mar 2012 08:43
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Long live the visual editor!

In-place editing is going to be the future of all
collaborative content, or at least, it's hard to imagine
otherwise.

This is possibly the greatest step forward that the
VisualEditor promises to bring Mediawiki.  Odd that it was
hardly mentioned in the tldr thread "Odd plans on
Future/Parser_plan - are they true?".  Perhaps some people
have not tried the new editor?
  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:VisualEditorSandbox

Let me please not reopen the questions of l33tism or
wikitext whimsey, I simply wanted to state that clicking
directly on the cursor location you want to edit is a big
deal.  One's poor brain does not have to shift gears; the
computer actually saves you a little bit of your life (how
often can you say that?); this is a good interface.

...and having a parser in Javascript will really broaden the
horizons for wikipedia: embedding wiki content in another
application, offline editing, abandoning legacy mediawiki
code, to name a few.

-Adam
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vitalif | 21 Mar 2012 22:50
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Re: Long live the visual editor!

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 00:43:51 -0700, Adam Wight wrote:
> In-place editing is going to be the future of all
> collaborative content, or at least, it's hard to imagine
> otherwise.
>
> This is possibly the greatest step forward that the
> VisualEditor promises to bring Mediawiki.  Odd that it was
> hardly mentioned in the tldr thread "Odd plans on
> Future/Parser_plan - are they true?".  Perhaps some people
> have not tried the new editor?
>   http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:VisualEditorSandbox

How to edit the Wikitext there, and immediately see the parsed result 
during editing?
(NOT vice versa, like now - edit parsed result and see the code)
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Maximilian Doerr | 21 Mar 2012 22:53
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Re: Long live the visual editor!

When playing with the visual editor this morning I noticed that myself too.
It would be nice if the markup could be edited as well as the parsed
version.  I mean don't forget that it's going to be hard to add {{#ifeq:}}
and all those syntax parsers if you can't edit the source code to it.

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On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 00:43:51 -0700, Adam Wight wrote:
> In-place editing is going to be the future of all collaborative 
> content, or at least, it's hard to imagine otherwise.
>
> This is possibly the greatest step forward that the VisualEditor 
> promises to bring Mediawiki.  Odd that it was hardly mentioned in the 
> tldr thread "Odd plans on Future/Parser_plan - are they true?".  
> Perhaps some people have not tried the new editor?
>   http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:VisualEditorSandbox

How to edit the Wikitext there, and immediately see the parsed result during
editing?
(NOT vice versa, like now - edit parsed result and see the code)

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Jay Ashworth | 21 Mar 2012 22:58

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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Maximilian Doerr" <cybernet678 <at> yahoo.com>

> When playing with the visual editor this morning I noticed that myself
> too.
> It would be nice if the markup could be edited as well as the parsed
> version. I mean don't forget that it's going to be hard to add
> {{#ifeq:}}
> and all those syntax parsers if you can't edit the source code to it.

As one of the "wikitext will never die" contingent, I'm going to do my best
not to say anything that sounds like "We told you so" here.

Cheers,
-- jr 'walks into the sunset, snickering quietly' a
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vitalif | 21 Mar 2012 22:59
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Re: Long live the visual editor!

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 17:53:56 -0400, Maximilian Doerr wrote:
> When playing with the visual editor this morning I noticed that 
> myself too.
> It would be nice if the markup could be edited as well as the parsed
> version.  I mean don't forget that it's going to be hard to add 
> {{#ifeq:}}
> and all those syntax parsers if you can't edit the source code to it.

That's what I've meant somewhere in the tldr thread... The visual 
inplace editor is a good idea to try, but it should be implemented with 
GREAT CARE, not like "you'll not going to be able to edit wikitext from 
now anymore"... Or you'll going to be able to parse text on the server 
anymore... Or only with server-side javascript... :D :)
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Roan Kattouw | 28 Mar 2012 14:31
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Re: Long live the visual editor!

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:59 PM,  <vitalif <at> yourcmc.ru> wrote:
> That's what I've meant somewhere in the tldr thread... The visual inplace
> editor is a good idea to try, but it should be implemented with GREAT CARE,
> not like "you'll not going to be able to edit wikitext from now anymore"...
> Or you'll going to be able to parse text on the server anymore... Or only
> with server-side javascript... :D :)
>
Yes, we are definitely keeping wikitext around. We also want the
editor to support switching between wikitext and visual mode as
suggested earlier in this thread, but that hasn't been implemented
yet. The prototype we released wasn't really a "this is what we'd like
it to be" demo, more like a "this is what we have right now" demo.

Roan
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Yury Tarasievich | 22 Mar 2012 17:31
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Re: Long live the visual editor!


On 03/21/2012 11:53 PM, Maximilian Doerr wrote:
> When playing with the visual editor this morning I noticed that myself too.
> It would be nice if the markup could be edited as well as the parsed
> version.  I mean don't forget that it's going to be hard to add {{#ifeq:}}
> and all those syntax parsers if you can't edit the source code to it.

Well, there is wiki-view and I guess there'll be 
round-trip there, after all?

However, I'm frowning in puzzlement at the level 
of visual empowerment of the wiki-link editing 
(my most unfavourite task). Is it planned to be 
left at that, just plain entry field for a 
title? No list browsing, no search, no search 
for partial hits or, say, soundexes?

Yury
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David Gerard | 22 Mar 2012 16:40
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Re: Long live the visual editor!

On 22 March 2012 16:31, Yury Tarasievich <yury.tarasievich <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> However, I'm frowning in puzzlement at the level of visual empowerment of
> the wiki-link editing (my most unfavourite task). Is it planned to be left
> at that, just plain entry field for a title? No list browsing, no search, no
> search for partial hits or, say, soundexes?

I believe the software uses a development methodology known as "open
source" that sounds quite exciting in its potential.

- d.
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Yury Tarasievich | 22 Mar 2012 18:28
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On 03/22/2012 05:40 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> On 22 March 2012 16:31, Yury Tarasievich<yury.tarasievich <at> gmail.com>  wrote:
>> However, I'm frowning in puzzlement at the level of visual empowerment of
...
> I believe the software uses a development methodology known as "open
> source" that sounds quite exciting in its potential.

Whatever.
For all you know, folks having issues with The 
Next Big Thing might not even be in IT industry 
(I'm not, for one).

Yury
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Roan Kattouw | 28 Mar 2012 14:29
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Re: Long live the visual editor!

On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Yury Tarasievich
<yury.tarasievich <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> However, I'm frowning in puzzlement at the level of visual empowerment of
> the wiki-link editing (my most unfavourite task). Is it planned to be left
> at that, just plain entry field for a title? No list browsing, no search, no
> search for partial hits or, say, soundexes?
>
You're looking at a quick prototype which is by no means final. Of
course the link editing feature should be much richer, but we haven't
written the code for that right now. We just released what we had at
the time.

Roan
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Mike Dupont | 22 Mar 2012 16:55
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Re: Long live the visual editor!



On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Adam Wight <spam <at> ludd.net> wrote:
y, I simply wanted to state that clicking
directly on the cursor location you want to edit is a big
deal.

I like it!
so an idea for the next step would be able to preview the link created and also interactively select them from a list.
I would want to be able to build up a list of links on the page. ones on my watchlist and recently edited links to select from.
I really think this would be a cool feature.  I like the new editor!

I was playing with etherpad and gutting it so that I could use a perl backend, 
https://github.com/h4ck3rm1k3/introspector-wiki-server/tree/master/etherpad I made some progress in reverse engineering it, of course there is alot more work to do. In theory we could have users being able to see each others edits (if they wanted to)

Exciting!

mike

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