Sen Velmurugan | 12 Jun 2012 03:38
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Re: Vref_DQ Vref_CA VTT decoupling in DDR3 DIMM

Statement: VTT, Minimum of one decoupling capacitor to VDD per every two 
termination resistors

Question: Why VTT decoupling capacitor to VDD not VSS(usually GND)? will this increase noise coupling
between VTT and VDD?

Ans: Here the answer is hiding in the requirement "per every two 
termination resistor" , the fact is VDDQ is "decoupled" w.r. to VTT 
instead of VSS. The reason is When high side mosfet of the buffer is  
turned ON, for logic HI, the current flow is from VDDQ to mosfet to 
Termination Resistor to VTT power supply. Signal is switched w.r.t. 
VTT,  So we need to decouple the Buffer's VDDQ pin to VTT, not to VDD.
No need for the decap btw Buffer's VSS to VTT , because VSS is much more 
robust than VDDQ to supply necessary instantaneous current for logic LOW.

Goal is to dump the noise to reference right, there is no worry of noise 
coupling between VTT and VDDQ

Decoupling Vref depends on how Vref is generated, decoupled usually 
w.r.t GND. There is also a idea about connecting a cap to VDD from 
Vref.  So any variation in the VDD is tracked by Vref. Here the need and 
size of cap matters and need to be ascertained during DVT.

In Tesla' situation it is better to ask DRAM vendor, they know their 
internal buffers read circuit implementation.
May be Vref w.r.t to +ve or -ve i/p of opAmp.  I feel this requirement 
is DRAM driven than a layout driven choice.
As matter of fact, any layout recommendation from vendor data sheet 
should not be blindly followed and situation varies.

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Sen Velmurugan | 12 Jun 2012 18:55
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Re: Vref_DQ Vref_CA VTT decoupling in DDR3 DIMM

Corrected/Updated version...

On 6/11/2012 6:38 PM, Sen Velmurugan wrote:
> Statement: VTT, Minimum of one decoupling capacitor to VDD per every 
> two termination resistors
>
> Question: Why VTT decoupling capacitor to VDD not VSS(usually GND)? 
> will this increase noise coupling between VTT and VDD?
>
> Ans: Here the answer is hiding in the requirement "per every two 
> termination resistor" , the fact is VDDQ is "decoupled" w.r. to VTT 
> instead of VSS. The reason is When high side mosfet of the buffer is  
> turned ON, for logic HI, the current flow is from VDDQ to mosfet to 
> Termination Resistor to VTT power supply. Signal is switched w.r.t. 
> VTT,  So we need to decouple the Buffer's VDDQ pin to VTT, not to VSS.
> For logic LOW, the current flow from VTT --  Termination Resistor  --- 
> low side mosfet to VSS is less inductive.
>
> Goal is to dump the noise to signalling reference right ?, there is no 
> worry of noise coupling between VTT and VDDQ due this decaps.
>
> Decoupling Vref depends on how Vref is generated, decoupled usually 
> w.r.t GND. There is also a idea about connecting a cap to VDD from 
> Vref.  So any variation in the VDD is tracked by Vref. Here the need 
> and size of cap matters and need to be ascertained during DVT.
>
> In Tesla' situation it is better to ask DRAM vendor, they know their 
> internal buffers read circuit implementation.
> May be Vref w.r.t to +ve or -ve i/p of opAmp.  I feel this requirement 
> is DRAM driven than a layout driven choice.
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Tesla | 13 Jun 2012 02:41
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Re: Vref_DQ Vref_CA VTT decoupling in DDR3 DIMM


Hi, Sen

Thanks.

You provide another point of view.

Tesla.

At 2012-06-13 00:55:06,"Sen Velmurugan"
<sen.velmurugan@...> wrote:
>Corrected/Updated version...
>
>On 6/11/2012 6:38 PM, Sen Velmurugan wrote:
>> Statement: VTT, Minimum of one decoupling capacitor to VDD per every 
>> two termination resistors
>>
>> Question: Why VTT decoupling capacitor to VDD not VSS(usually GND)? 
>> will this increase noise coupling between VTT and VDD?
>>
>> Ans: Here the answer is hiding in the requirement "per every two 
>> termination resistor" , the fact is VDDQ is "decoupled" w.r. to VTT 
>> instead of VSS. The reason is When high side mosfet of the buffer is  
>> turned ON, for logic HI, the current flow is from VDDQ to mosfet to 
>> Termination Resistor to VTT power supply. Signal is switched w.r.t. 
>> VTT,  So we need to decouple the Buffer's VDDQ pin to VTT, not to VSS.
>> For logic LOW, the current flow from VTT --  Termination Resistor  --- 
>> low side mosfet to VSS is less inductive.
>>
>> Goal is to dump the noise to signalling reference right ?, there is no 
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