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Linux Lingam | 1 Mar 2009 09:48
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Re: Blog post about Freed.in Day 1

Dear shirish,

yes, you do need to mention the three things under each authored work.
This is how it works, irrespective of copyright or copyleft or CC.
It is tedious, but correct.
Your other choice, is to only use Images in the public-domain, where
no such restrictions apply, or to seek written permission from each
author to deviate from this correct protocol, or to use your own
authored works, or to outright purchase or negotiate ownership of
authored works so you have full liberty to do as you please.

regards
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shirish | 1 Mar 2009 14:04
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Re: Blog post about Freed.in Day 1

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 14:18, Linux Lingam <linuxlingam@...> wrote:
> Dear shirish,
>
> yes, you do need to mention the three things under each authored work.
> This is how it works, irrespective of copyright or copyleft or CC.
> It is tedious, but correct.
> Your other choice, is to only use Images in the public-domain, where
> no such restrictions apply, or to seek written permission from each
> author to deviate from this correct protocol, or to use your own
> authored works, or to outright purchase or negotiate ownership of
> authored works so you have full liberty to do as you please.

I tried using the method outlined but it causes a somewhat broken page.

http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/freedin-day-1/

see stuff above Prof. Andrew Lynn's photo.

> regards
> n

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Raj Mathur | 1 Mar 2009 21:17

Re: Blog post about Freed.in Day 1

On Sunday 01 Mar 2009, shirish wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 14:18, Linux Lingam <linuxlingam@...> 
wrote:
> > yes, you do need to mention the three things under each authored
> > work. This is how it works, irrespective of copyright or copyleft
> > or CC. It is tedious, but correct.
> > Your other choice, is to only use Images in the public-domain,
> > where no such restrictions apply, or to seek written permission
> > from each author to deviate from this correct protocol, or to use
> > your own authored works, or to outright purchase or negotiate
> > ownership of authored works so you have full liberty to do as you
> > please.
>
> I tried using the method outlined but it causes a somewhat broken
> page.
>
> http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/freedin-day-1/
>
> see stuff above Prof. Andrew Lynn's photo.

If it's that tough, just put a URL to the original photo as a caption.  
Also may help to mention someplace that all the photos were licensed 
under an open licence when you downloaded them, and if the licence has 
changed subsequently you'd be willing to remove the offending pic(s) if 
notified.

While on the subject, your mail licensing weirdness:

>   My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/
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shirish | 5 Mar 2009 09:45
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On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 12:17, Raj Mathur <raju <at> linux-delhi.org> wrote:

Hi all,
       Apologies for a long long mail well in advance. I usually take
24-48 hours before responding to mails like Raj and Sudhanwa wrote.
Sometimes we do respond in haste :-

> While on the subject, your mail licensing weirdness:
>
>>   My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0
>> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/
>
> still prevents me from selling a DVD of ILUGD mailing list archives.
> This is a major blow, since the demand for these DVDs is constantly
> rising and currently outstrips the combined demand for pirated copies
> of Popcorn Frigidaire and Catnap Refunds, and I'm going to sue you for
> making me lose crows worth of legitimate business due to persistent
> combative, militant licensing.

 <at>  Raj Mathur . Its your prerogative to do whatever suing you want to
for as you my 'persistent combative, militant licensing'

If it was an attempt to intimidate me or an attempt at humor then both
are unfortunately lost for neither makes sense to me.

Also from what little I understand, these matters are still evolving.
As Mr. Duggal of Supreme Court says it
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Raj Mathur | 5 Mar 2009 16:31

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On Thursday 05 Mar 2009, shirish wrote:
> [snip]
>  <at>  Raj Mathur . Its your prerogative to do whatever suing you want to
> for as you my 'persistent combative, militant licensing'
>
> If it was an attempt to intimidate me or an attempt at humor then
> both are unfortunately lost for neither makes sense to me.

Sorry to hear that.  I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to 
determine whether it was meant to be humour or intimidation.

> Let's say that shirish was not just shirishag75@... but
> shirishag75@... or
shirishag75@... (Please remember
> this is all hypothetical)
>
> and let's say redhat (or ubuntu) as a matter of policy on their SMTP
> Server puts a signature which gets added to every mail something on
> the lines of
>
> a. It may have intellectual property so the reader shouldn't disclose
> it. Disclosing the same may lead to suing.
> b. If due to advice or help given in the mail, if there is any damage
> to a person's computer/data etc. the company wouldn't be held liable.
>
> From a company's stand point it may be the right thing to do.

I'm glad to inform you that you're not being singled out just because 
you post from a gmail address: quasi-legal crap is explicitly forbidden 
on most mailing lists.  There have been enough cases on, e.g. the
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Shakthi Kannan | 5 Mar 2009 10:23
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Hi,

--- On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:15 PM, shirish <shirishag75@...> wrote:
| Let's take a very real as well as hypothetical scenario.
\--

Just out of curiosity, may I ask what license do you use for your
day-to-day phone/in-person conversation?

SK

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Ramakrishna Reddy | 5 Mar 2009 10:27
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Re: Blog post about Freed.in Day 1

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Shakthi Kannan <shakthimaan@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> --- On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:15 PM, shirish <shirishag75@...> wrote:
> | Let's take a very real as well as hypothetical scenario.
> \--
>
> Just out of curiosity, may I ask what license do you use for your
> day-to-day phone/in-person conversation?

EULA

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Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay | 5 Mar 2009 09:51
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Re: Blog post about Freed.in Day 1

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:15 PM, shirish <shirishag75@...> wrote:

> Also from what little I understand, these matters are still evolving.
> As Mr. Duggal of Supreme Court says it
>
> "The same case presented the same way to 5 different judges may lead
> to 5 different decisions"
>
> I have my own take in the manner.

I don't know if you have written that 'take' down somewhere, but it
would be interesting to know more about that. The rationale is that
there must be a reason why you feel comfortable CC licensing your
mails to the mailing lists and, if that reason is put down somewhere
it would perhaps lead to a discussion rather than the shotgun-scatter
discussions across mailing lists.

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gurteshwar singh | 1 Mar 2009 17:55
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Re: blog post about freed.in day 2 (shirish)

> From: shirish <shirishag75@...>
> Subject: [ilugd] blog post about freed.in day 2
> Hi all,
>  Day 2 now online (sans photos) apologize for the same.
>
> http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/freed-day-2/
> --
>          Regards,
>          Shirish Agarwal

Hi all,

Dear Shirish,

I read your posts about freed.in day-2. A few things I wish to point
out regarding your take on my talk.

From your post http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/freed-day-2/

>The real story which he forgot was that the year after, ERNET was up and shell accounts were >starting to
give people which dried up the business of BBS overtime.

Not something I forgot but was actually aware of. It would've made
sense to include, if I was giving an elaborate account of the
"business" history of BBS overtime. My whole point was how people got
together on the boards(i cant call it the internet :-)) for speaking
against something they didn't like or thought was unfair and how it
actually resulted in action on ground. My not including or as you say
"forgetting" what happened to the BBS "business" after that does not
dispute my claim in any way. Also, I thought it to be irrelevant to
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Abhishek Nandakumar | 1 Mar 2009 18:28
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Re: blog post about freed.in day 2 (shirish)

Hi all,

Sorry for posting it this late, but here's another blog post to add to  
the list:

http://xabhishek.com/2009/03/01/freedin-2009/

Cheers,
Abhishek

On 01-Mar-09, at 10:25 PM, gurteshwar singh wrote:

>> From: shirish <shirishag75@...>
>> Subject: [ilugd] blog post about freed.in day 2
>> Hi all,
>>  Day 2 now online (sans photos) apologize for the same.
>>
>> http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/freed-day-2/
>> --
>>          Regards,
>>          Shirish Agarwal
>
> Hi all,
>
> Dear Shirish,
>
> I read your posts about freed.in day-2. A few things I wish to point
> out regarding your take on my talk.
>
> From your post http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/freed-day-2/
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shirish | 1 Mar 2009 14:02
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On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 14:18, Linux Lingam <linuxlingam@...> wrote:
> Dear shirish,

Dear Niyam,
> yes, you do need to mention the three things under each authored work.
> This is how it works, irrespective of copyright or copyleft or CC.
> It is tedious, but correct.
> Your other choice, is to only use Images in the public-domain, where
> no such restrictions apply, or to seek written permission from each
> author to deviate from this correct protocol, or to use your own
> authored works, or to outright purchase or negotiate ownership of
> authored works so you have full liberty to do as you please.

ok convinced, now need some help with the coding part of the same.
This is the code that has been generated by flickr.

<td><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/69859207 <at> N00/3307889771/"
title="prof. Andrew Lynn by shirishag75, on Flickr"><img
src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3545/3307889771_20174d0ffc_o.jpg"
width="683" height="1024" alt="prof. Andrew Lynn" /></a></td>

The above code is of Prof. Andrew Lynn taken by ramkrishna.  Now I do
not know of a way
in which I can have this sort of code being automatically generated
from ramky's photostream which bears his CC stuff as well.

A demonstrable example with code how it was accomplished would be nice.
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Linux Lingam | 1 Mar 2009 19:21
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Dear shirish,

no need to generate code. Just add static text.
Like you see in the credits of a movie or tv documentary, a magazine
colophon, a calendar, and anywhere else where authored works need
credit, copyright, and licensed text.

it's my pleasure to accept your thanks in advance for explaining all
this to you so persistently and patiently. For any other
clarifications there is google.

regards
niyam

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shirish | 2 Mar 2009 09:28
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On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 23:51, Linux Lingam <linuxlingam@...> wrote:
> Dear shirish,

Dear Linuxlingam

> no need to generate code. Just add static text.
> Like you see in the credits of a movie or tv documentary, a magazine
> colophon, a calendar, and anywhere else where authored works need
> credit, copyright, and licensed text.

Atm I have done some stuff so when hovers over the image, one knows
who the author of the image is as well as under what license as being suggested
on the list. Have also put up a static text, is it good enough.

Btw who is the author of the raised hands photo on the freed.in blog entry

http://freed.in/2009/news/inauguration-at-freedin2009.html

> it's my pleasure to accept your thanks in advance for explaining all
> this to you so persistently and patiently. For any other
> clarifications there is google.

:)

> regards
> niyam

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